Windows or mac?

Posted by: bigsplice on 10 November 2013

Im about to buy computer for solely music. USB to DAC etc. SQ priority but control

is important too. I can build my own windows machine so this is another option to

the win or apple laptop route. Is there a "no brainer" option?

Posted on: 10 November 2013 by DomTomLondon

Do you know what you've just started....

 

but seriously, it depends on your budget and what you are more comfortable using.

whichever you choose you will want to use good playback software like foobar2000 (win) or Audorvana (Mac) to get the best SQ out of the computer.

also keep in mind that windows machine usually require drivers for USB DACs while Macs don't.

 

personally I would (and did go with Apple Macs) or ubuntu (Linux) on my asus laptop. only last resort would I go with a microsoft product. But that's just me.

Posted on: 10 November 2013 by Agricola

If you use a MAC then unmodified iTunes, is very fine, and not only just me, but other people choose to use it in preference to such things as Bitperfect and Audio Nirvana ...

 

There is no compelling reason to use these third party players on a MAC unless you personally prefer them, which you might. but it is not either certain that you will or that they are actually in any way better.

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 10 November 2013 by james n
Originally Posted by Agricola:

If you use a MAC then unmodified iTunes, is very fine, and not only just me, but other people choose to use it in preference to such things as Bitperfect and Audio Nirvana ...

 

There is no compelling reason to use these third party players on a MAC unless you personally prefer them, which you might. but it is not either certain that you will or that they are actually in any way better.

 

ATB from George

The compelling reason to use bit perfect (for example) is the automatic sample rate switching if you  have a library of red book and hi-res music. 

Posted on: 10 November 2013 by bigsplice

It does seem that the "pro" approach is mac and the "budget" one is windows. 

 

Posted on: 10 November 2013 by pcstockton

The "Pro" approach is running Win7 in bootcamp on a Mac.  Nothing runs Windows better.

 

Then JRiver Media Center.

Posted on: 10 November 2013 by Bananahead

Oh dear

Posted on: 10 November 2013 by T38.45

Have a look at this:

 

http://www.computeraudiophile....ver-c-p-s-v3-carbon/

 

 ...this guy knows what he's talking about!

 

Ralf

Posted on: 11 November 2013 by likesmusic
Originally Posted by T38.45:

Have a look at this:

 

http://www.computeraudiophile....ver-c-p-s-v3-carbon/

 

 ...this guy knows what he's talking about!

 

Ralf

I don't think computeraudiophile necessarily knows what he is talking about!

 

If you read the article, he says that he needed to use a high-current battery power supply to "remove very audible noise from my system".

 

There's something profoundly wrong somewhere with his (very expensive) system building skills if he has "harsh electrical noise" unless he uses an exotic battery power supply. Surely if he really did know what he was talking about he would remove the problem at source. Alas, as he says later on, he hasn't got any decent measuring tools.

 

My quite modest laptop is absolutely silent at full volume.

Posted on: 11 November 2013 by T38.45
Good point, I was rather thinking about his choice of the components.... Win, SSD, SotM USB, SW, etc.
Especially the SotM is highly awarded among the "Build your own folks"!

Cheers
Ralf
Posted on: 11 November 2013 by Kevin Richardson
Originally Posted by bigsplice:

Im about to buy computer for solely music. USB to DAC etc. SQ priority but control

is important too. I can build my own windows machine so this is another option to

the win or apple laptop route. Is there a "no brainer" option?

 of course the answer is Mac.

Posted on: 11 November 2013 by pcstockton
Originally Posted by Agricola:

If you use a MAC then unmodified iTunes, is very fine, and not only just me, but other people choose to use it in preference to such things as Bitperfect and Audio Nirvana ...

 

There is no compelling reason to use these third party players on a MAC unless you personally prefer them, which you might. but it is not either certain that you will or that they are actually in any way better.

 

ATB from George

As long as you dont:

- Want to run a server (to stream music and video anywhere)

- Want to stream more than one thing at a time.

- Want to play FLACs or other codecs not supported in iTunes

- Want 24-192 support

 

You can run iTunes on a PC if you really want to.

 

A Windows OS gives you every option.

 

Like I said, get a Mac, run Win7 in bootcap.  You can always boot into either OS and see which you like best.  No need to chose one over the other.

 

Both OS have their own list of pros and cons.

 

So the "No-Brainer" option is to have both!!!

 

Good luck!

Patrick

Posted on: 11 November 2013 by gazla

An alternative would be a Vortexbox solution. You can either buy an appliance or build your own. vortexbox is a Linux based solution that provides a headless ripping (to FLAC) music server. I run this on a small net top pc. 

Posted on: 11 November 2013 by pcstockton

Wat,

 

I appreciate your views but I was addressing the OP.  Not trying to convince a die-hard believer.

Sincerely,

Loving both Win7 and Mac OS (and iOS for that matter)

Posted on: 12 November 2013 by Jude2012
As mentioned by a number of people, if you are unsure or I different about Win or Mac, the Mac gives you all the options. i.e. Running different versions of Win, Linux, any other OS via the mac built in bootcamp software or through virtualisation software such as Parrallels or Fusion.  Another good point with a MacBook Pro or Mac mini is that they has good optical outs, meaning that a non USB DAC will be an option too.

One thing to consider is Huw you would access the mini if you plan on running it and do not have another mac.  I am sure there are plenty if solutions such Hdmi to TV, etc.

Regarding play back software, try before you buy.
Posted on: 13 November 2013 by Zipperheadbanjo

If you appreciate Naim products for their elegance, simplicity, and quality... then I have to tell you that you are a Mac person... whether you know it or not.

 

Get a Mac... if you really need to run Windows (ugh)... install a Windows partition. 

 

Posted on: 13 November 2013 by bigsplice
Ok, the majority say Mac so i will explore the options, i do like apple products and functionality. Im aware that many on the forum use the mac mini but id prefer the macbook in some form. Would i rip in itunes or another piece of software? What file type? Any views on thunderbolt?
Posted on: 13 November 2013 by bigsplice
Ok, the majority say Mac so i will explore the options, i do like apple products and functionality. Im aware that many on the forum use the mac mini but id prefer the macbook in some form. Would i rip in itunes or another piece of software? What file type? Any views on thunderbolt?
Posted on: 13 November 2013 by Jude2012
@bigsplice.

The MacBook/Pro is also as good as the Mini.  Those who use them say that the SQ best when plugged into the mains rather than with battery only power.

The file type to rip in Apple is AIFF. 

iTunes is fine for ripping.  However, I like quite a number on this forum, use a free software called XLD.  The benefit to me of XLD is that it lets you know whether there were errors during the rip and whether it has overcome these errors or not.  Also it is possible to convert FLAC files to AIFF with XLD.

Like you, I made the switch from. CDs to file based music about 10 months ago.  My decisions was based on dialogue with 'guido Fawkes' and others in this forum.  So, if you search under this name you fill find ample info.

Also, not sure if you are purchasing brand new, if so, Apple stores offer a 14 day return policy, which is some peace of mind.

Regarding the Thunderbolt, I use the standard internal HDD so have no experience.  However, it really depends on what you are aiming to achieve with Thunderbolt. 

Thee is plenty of tinkering you could do with either a MB, MBP, or Mini.  However, IME the stock Mini gives me amazing SQ that makes the tinkering seem superfluous.  You may see from my other posts that tinkering elsewhere is where I am focusing on.  Others may have different views an experiences.

HTH

Jude
Posted on: 13 November 2013 by Pev
Originally Posted by Zipperheadbanjo:

If you appreciate Naim products for their elegance, simplicity, and quality... then I have to tell you that you are a Mac person... whether you know it or not.

 

Get a Mac... if you really need to run Windows (ugh)... install a Windows partition. 

 

Hey Zipperhead - how can someone with great taste in music have such poor taste in computers?

 

Most of us PC guys have no need to proselytise, we just get more performance, flexibility and interoperability for much less cost. The Mac "majority" is more likely to reflect the cult like devotion of the Mac believers. It's a computer; an appliance ... they don't have souls (unlike hifi or motorcycles).  For solely music purposes either will be fine - I went Windows for my  music/home theatre PC because I wanted to have the option of an internal Blu Ray drive for movies and a wider choice of software for everything.

Posted on: 13 November 2013 by Massimo Bertola
I've used a Mac (LC) from 1991 until 2002, then Windows until 2011 and then a MacBookPro.
 
Although I think that the OS I abandoned in 2001 (9.1.4) was exceptionally simple, usable, with some possibilities of intervention on the user's part in comparison to the more 'locked' OS I'm using now (Mac seems to have more and more become a lifestyle rather that a PC operating system, and its target younger and younger), when I have to use my last PC - an HP tower, with good characteristics - again (I have given it to my wife's parents) I wonder how I could endure that for ten years.
 
I don't discuss a PC's ability to replay music; I am talking about the looks, the desktop, the functions, the user-friendliness - anyone who's not a professional needs a machine that's also fun to use and to look at.
 
That said, I have tried my MacBookPro into DAC V1/Nap100 vs CD5i/Nait5i with the same music (my CDs and their rips) and, apparently, the first combo was audibly better.
I have yet to hear, though, a PC/Mac based system sound better than a really good CDP based one.
 
Max
 

 

Posted on: 13 November 2013 by Tog

You have to ask? 

 

Since 1995 it has been Mac all the way*.

 

Tog

 

*with a teensy bit of Linux

Posted on: 13 November 2013 by Bananahead

I am finally going Apple free. My sole device - an iPod - has developed yet another fault. Although I have tried to like it, in reality it has always been a piece of crap.

Posted on: 13 November 2013 by joerand
Originally Posted by Bananahead:

in reality it has always been a piece of crap.

That's my feeling after owning a single shuffle. My kids Apple phones are crap as well. I'm done buying their garbage, but I'm sure my kids will continue. It's a disposable mentality; if it breaks buy a new one. Just an excuse to get the latest and supposedly greatest. Funny thing is the kids all think Apple is quality stuff, even after it breaks.

 

Oh, and with regard to the OP - Windows.

Posted on: 14 November 2013 by NickSeattle

Hi, bigsplice,

 

Based on the responses, you are possibly still undecided.  Which platform is more popular with your personal support network, including family, friends, and local vendors?  All platforms present challenges, at times, but are basically fine.  Any platform can fail if it is misconfigured, which is easy to do with all of the above.  If you have more experience with one platform, stick with it, unless you are certain you know why you are changing.

 

I am a Windows admin at work; at home I run six Macs and a Windows 7 box.  Not a dog among them, IMHO.

 

I support Windows and Mac for family and friends.  I do find the Home version of Wndows more difficult than Pro, for network purposes, if only because I never use Home myself.

 

Good luck.

 

Nick