Problems with UK National Health? Inquiring Yank Wants to Know.

...and then it finally it ends up under Coopers toilet tray! 

Debs

Bloody cooper is taking over the house,now sleeps on the bed.....our bed is now his bed....last nite i went upstairs and slept in one of the empty bedrooms. Like a 4th Moggie Debs??

Go to cat problems and i will post you an interesting story.

Mista h

I remember years ago when my mother was  being treated for breast cancer Charing x hospital was full,so the NHS moved her to a private hospital near Ravenscourt park.

The old man and i was visiting her one evening,sitting out on her private balcony when the wine waiter fully suited complete with bow tie(i kid you not) came in and said...would madam like wine with her evening meal. Mum didnt wont any ,but me and the old man looked at the wine list he gave us and ordered a bottle of red.

Mista h

Humtimg buddies... do you mean like with Brokeback Mountain?  

I liked that Russ. The abrasion one.

What do you boys get up to in that cabin?

Chaps, I shouldn't but just can't resist.

See Daily Mail, see a Fox News.

A Reuters Survey...incredible!

http://www.freewoodpost.com/20...ews-viewers-believe/

Jason.

the final entry admits the survey was a satire

but satire is a way of pointing out the truth

Understood, Derek--I have used it myself in the past on rare occasions.    And I have no problem with the author doing just that.  But one truth that does not require satire for clarity is the number of people who hate Fox News so much that they were willing to believe the obviously false figures.  While one's liberal-progressive comfort level may be greatly damaged by the right-leaning views expressed on that network, it is nevertheless true that, while there are many conduits for breaking news about negative developments concerning the right, Fox is one of the very, very few which break stories which do not paint the left in glowing terms--and, in fact, either ignore negative news OR hide it on page 3,496--news such as allowing arms to be given to Mexican drug cartels in order to establish a justification for gun control, ignoring requests by the Democrat ambassador to Lybia and not sending support when he and his staff were attacked, directing or allowing the Internal Revenue Service to obstruct tax-free right-leaning organizations while doing everything possible to assist those organizations on the left, having the Justice Department investigate Fox News, and last and soon most dear to the hearts of tens-of-millions of Americans, blatantly lying about government insurance "reform", resulting in the cancellation of millions of policies, and putting a website into operation that was failed from the start--solely for political reasons.

Some truths are beyond help, even from satire!  Had Fox News not broken these stories, they would not have eventually been picked up, to whatever extent, by other media.

Cheers,

Russ

Come on Russ, ditto Obama and some strange definition of Socialism It peddles.

It really is a crime against education to blatantly feed your citizens misprepresentations of an Ideology, which is the basis of most national political systems on the planet, to some degree or another. As far as I can see Fox News is a bastion of false representation. And they seem to be on the War Path against, Liberalism, Socialism and Obama...that can't be allowed to happen, for your sake and for mine.

Its not really that important if the figures are correct or not, the real sad message is between the lines.

Jason.

p.s. I am happy to axcept no political ideology is perfect, but some are clearly better suited to bringing better standards of living, on an equal basis, than others.

I would go along with this statement.

Bruce and Erewhon:

Throwing money at any problem is rarely a solution--for so many reasons, not the least of which are lack of sound policy direction and corruption.  I am not competent to join your discussion about the UK situation, but in the United States two good examples are (1) the field of education and (2) what the government chooses to define as the poverty level:

While very few citizens of any country would argue that education (including outstanding teaching) is not the single-most important aspect of a society, in my own country, the teacher's unions (again, protecting incompetent or even felonious teachers) and educational associations keep up a continuous hue and cry for more money.  And it has been delivered by government at all levels for decades--in ever more vast quantities.  Yet the quality of education of our youth consistently drops viz a viz much of Europe and virtually all of Asia.  The answer of course is that money is not the issue--but rather the breakdown of the American family.

With regard to "poverty", Lyndon Johnson began vast expenditures (more spent on food-stamps, children, etc) in 1965.  Yet now, after nearly half a century of funding, the poverty level, as defined by the government has stayed roughly static--or perhaps even grown a little.  I suppose one of the saving graces is that the impoverished in the U.S. now are typically overweight and wondering how they will be able to afford their third television. 

Throwing money at a situation has two advantages to the general public: first, it's like pissing in your pants: you don't achieve anything worthwhile, but you get a warm feeling; and second, if someone disagrees with your position that money should indeed be thrown, you can label him or her as hardhearted and uncaring.  Quite convenient, that.

Russ

Best regards,

Russ

Chaps,

Just to conclude this thread in an appropriate manner.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/hea...tem-says-report.html

http://www.theguardian.com/soc...14/jun/17/nhs-health

http://mobile.rawstory.com/all...st-healthcare-system

Jason.

Most of the innovation in healthcare that the world benefits from is seeded in the USA.

Is that your view or is there evidence for that?

Well done the USA for its egalitarian distribution of these amazing innovations. Wake up and read the report, denial won't help.

Jason.

Hi Jason, simple fact is the USA leads the world in healthcare R&D spend and innovations.  I thought this was common knowledge?  I am really amazed that you are questioning this.

Most of the world's R&D spend in healthcare occur in the USA vs other countries.  Half the world's medicines over the last decade have come from the USA.  More than half the world's top 20 medical device companies are in the USA.  There are always studies done that show recent/important medical innovations (statins, cancer, MRI, ACE inhibitors, PPIs, eyesight, diabetes, protheses, and so on....).  The majority of these innovations occur in the USA.  

Countries like the UK, France, etc...have less a burden as their healthcare and economic/social systems are not predicated on leading the world in healthcare innovations.

As an end user, I think Germany has the best system from a cost and service standpoint and I wish the US could model it's system after the German system.  It's a good compromise between socialism and the necessary market forces that are needed to keep costs down.

The NHS has recently come top in a study on world health care provision and the US bottom. 

The NHS works when it's funded properly, the Tories never do and as a consequence we end up having these debates when they are in power. There is a lot of money to be made from health hence why so many US health providers are licking their lips about the NHS out sourcing contracts. 

Labour only got NHS spending up to appropriate levels when in power after many years of underspending by the Tories and within a few years it was getting high satisfaction ratings from the public. 

link to Guardian article http://www.theguardian.com/soc...14/jun/17/nhs-health

hope this is ok with mods?