2014 F1 Season.

Posted by: BigH47 on 06 January 2014

Not too good a start with what had happened to Schumy. 

 

There is also even sadder news with the announcement of engine builder Brian Harts passing.

 

http://www.formula1.com/news/h...es/2014/1/15363.html

 

Posted on: 24 August 2014 by Lionel
Originally Posted by osprey:
It's clear now that Mercedes need to choose now which one of their drivers they support for championship as number one.

That would be the one with the most points, obviously.

Posted on: 24 August 2014 by Lionel
Originally Posted by Tony Lockhart:
This from the BBC website, similar on Autosport:

"Lewis Hamilton claims Mercedes team-mate Nico Rosberg admitted in a post-race meeting that he deliberately hit him during Sunday's Belgian Grand Prix."

have the team released anything about what was actually said in that meeting?

Posted on: 24 August 2014 by Tony2011
Originally Posted by Lionel:
Originally Posted by Tony Lockhart:
This from the BBC website, similar on Autosport:

"Lewis Hamilton claims Mercedes team-mate Nico Rosberg admitted in a post-race meeting that he deliberately hit him during Sunday's Belgian Grand Prix."

have the team released anything about what was actually said in that meeting?

Does anybody remember Lewis's(?) early  posts on twitter? I would  not trust anything he "allegedly" said. His mouth sometimes is bigger that his posterior!

Posted on: 24 August 2014 by winkyincanada

And Ricciardo seems to able avoid the chaos and just get the job done. More impressive every time out. Yes, some cards fell his way in the last two outings, but as they say, champions make their own luck.

Posted on: 24 August 2014 by Lionel

BBC Sport:

 

After a meeting with Rosberg and Mercedes bosses Toto Wolff and Paddy Lowe, Hamilton said: "He said he could have avoided it but he didn't want to. He basically said, 'I did it to prove a point.'"

 

Mercedes boss Toto Wolff says Rosberg-Hamilton clash unacceptable

However, Wolff said Rosberg's remarks had been misinterpreted.

 

Wolff said: "Nico felt he needed to hold his line. He needed to make a point and for Lewis it was clearly not him who needed to be aware of Nico.

"(Rosberg) didn't give in. He thought it was for Lewis to leave him space and that Lewis didn't leave him space.

 

"So they agreed to disagree in a very heated discussion among ourselves, but it wasn't deliberately crashing. That is nonsense.

"It was deliberately taking into account that if Lewis moves or would open then it could end up in a crash."

Posted on: 24 August 2014 by Clay Bingham

I believe Rosberg didn't give an inch and I believe he knew exactly what he was doing. Since the beginning of the season Hamilton has alternatively been whining one week and playing the psych game the next. Rosberg is just sending a message to his team mate......" if that's all you got it ain't good enough". Lewis is a tremendous natural talent but from day one of his career he's lacked maturity. 

Posted on: 24 August 2014 by Mike-B
Originally Posted by Tony2011:

Lewis better be careful otherwise Toto's missus will be taking his seat next season. 

No but maybe another German will make Mercedes the German Dream Team in 2015

Its only 20 miles from MK to Brackley  - or is that zweiunddreisig kilometer

Posted on: 27 August 2014 by Jota

Rosberg allowed Hamilton to force him off the race track a few races ago.  I think Sunday's events were Rosberg saying he wouldn't be forced off the track anymore.

Posted on: 27 August 2014 by BigH47

Hamilton didn't force KR off the road on Sunday , he was entitled to take the line as KR only had a very small over lap as shown by the fact of his wing hitting LH's rear wheel. 

Bigger question is why did KR turn to left away from the accident  and then turn back right again?

Posted on: 27 August 2014 by Harry

It was ill considered and unlikely to result in a pass. To say the resultant puncture was pre meditated overlooks the fact that in such a collision it is far more likely that Rosberg would have been limping back to the pits minus a front wing than Hamilton picking up a puncture. So Rosberg was lucky to have come out of it so lightly damaged and capable of finishing second.

 

Hamilton will slam the door in anyone's face. "You're not supposed to be there and I'm sticking to my line no matter what" is brave and exciting. But if you insist on chopping people off - and he does - it's only going to be a matter of time. Rosberg was dim, Hamilton was over arrogant, they both paid. I think Hamilton paid too much. Unfortunately, the subsequent on line outpouring of immaturity makes me not care all that much. 

Posted on: 29 August 2014 by JBBY

It appears we have another German who will ensure victory at all costs.

 

I've always considered Schumacher's shunting of opponents should have been punished severely resulting in fewer world championships and like wise the FIA should impose penalties for these actions. 

 

Lives are at risk when you crash deliberately and these actions are unacceptable.

 

This is a game after all.

 

Jason

Posted on: 29 August 2014 by Dan43

Rosberg has apologised it seems, probably made to by his team. They had a meeting this morning and all manner of media friendly press releases have been sent out.

 

Riccardo will run up the rails if these two don't watch out.

 

 

Posted on: 29 August 2014 by Ken Ploegaerts
Originally Posted by JBBY:

It appears we have another German who will ensure victory at all costs.

 

I've always considered Schumacher's shunting of opponents should have been punished severely resulting in fewer world championships and like wise the FIA should impose penalties for these actions. 

 

Lives are at risk when you crash deliberately and these actions are unacceptable.

 

This is a game after all.

 

Jason

It only is a game when money is not involved.

Posted on: 29 August 2014 by Clay Bingham
Originally Posted by Dan43:

Rosberg has apologised it seems, probably made to by his team. They had a meeting this morning and all manner of media friendly press releases have been sent out.

 

Riccardo will run up the rails if these two don't watch out.

 

 

One pundit has likened the Mercedes power triumvirate of Lauda, Lowe, and Wollf to the Three Stooges for the handling of this issue. I'd say that's about right. 

Posted on: 30 August 2014 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by Clay Bingham:
Originally Posted by Dan43:

Rosberg has apologised it seems, probably made to by his team. They had a meeting this morning and all manner of media friendly press releases have been sent out.

 

Riccardo will run up the rails if these two don't watch out.

 

 

One pundit has likened the Mercedes power triumvirate of Lauda, Lowe, and Wollf to the Three Stooges for the handling of this issue. I'd say that's about right. 

How would you have handled it?

Posted on: 30 August 2014 by Clay Bingham
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:
Originally Posted by Clay Bingham:
Originally Posted by Dan43:

Rosberg has apologised it seems, probably made to by his team. They had a meeting this morning and all manner of media friendly press releases have been sent out.

 

Riccardo will run up the rails if these two don't watch out.

 

 

One pundit has likened the Mercedes power triumvirate of Lauda, Lowe, and Wollf to the Three Stooges for the handling of this issue. I'd say that's about right. 

How would you have handled it?

Winky

 

Being brief, probably overly so, in any business with employees there will be times when two or more employees go at each other for one reason or another. Good supervision and good management need to anticipate and be prepared to deal with such situations comprehensively, fairly, privately, and in a timely manner. That simply wasn't done in this incident and hasn't been done all season long on this team. So far, their car has been so good the disruption has not been fatal to their efforts but it's still far from a good situation.

 

I looked, and the quote came from John Watson in an blog by Maurice Hamilton on the ESPN F1 website. A good read if you're interested.

Posted on: 30 August 2014 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by Clay Bingham:
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:
Originally Posted by Clay Bingham:
Originally Posted by Dan43:

Rosberg has apologised it seems, probably made to by his team. They had a meeting this morning and all manner of media friendly press releases have been sent out.

 

Riccardo will run up the rails if these two don't watch out.

 

 

One pundit has likened the Mercedes power triumvirate of Lauda, Lowe, and Wollf to the Three Stooges for the handling of this issue. I'd say that's about right. 

How would you have handled it?

Winky

 

Being brief, probably overly so, in any business with employees there will be times when two or more employees go at each other for one reason or another. Good supervision and good management need to anticipate and be prepared to deal with such situations comprehensively, fairly, privately, and in a timely manner. That simply wasn't done in this incident and hasn't been done all season long on this team. So far, their car has been so good the disruption has not been fatal to their efforts but it's still far from a good situation.

 

I looked, and the quote came from John Watson in an blog by Maurice Hamilton on the ESPN F1 website. A good read if you're interested.

I hear what you're saying. It seems that it hasn't been effectively managed unitl now. But these are titanic, potentially umanageable egos and ambitions we're talking about here. We don't know what failed efforts have gone on behind the scenes. I read the blog you suggested and it makes a lot of sense. Perhaps ex-drivers (Lauda) don't make the best media-facing team members.

 

Management of teams in F1 is horrendously hard, in part because of the intense media scrutiny. Little is truly private where the media are looking for angles from everyone. I simply don't know enough to really say whether the three stooges analogy is even close. But I suspect not.

Posted on: 30 August 2014 by Clay Bingham

Winky 

 

You're absolutely right about the media and the stress of working in a sport with so much money involved. I think Watson made the Stooges analogy not because it is literally true but because none of the three is backing away from theIr paycheck and all have voluntarily taken on the task. And frankly, in the area of handling their employees, they've come a cropper more times than not. I thought the comparison with Ross Brawn in the blog article particularly telling. But I take your comments on point. That's why these discussions can be so interesting. Let's hope we have a good rest of the season.

Posted on: 30 August 2014 by Lionel

I don't think anyone has actually said how he would handle the situation if he were in charge. This is what I would do:

 

Mercedes has a huge lead in the constructors' championship. Mercedes' first priority is to win the constructors' championship.

 

Nico has a good lead over Lewis in the driver's championship. Fighting between team mates is detrimental to the primary aim of the team.

 

Team orders would be that the Merc driver behind at the start on the grid cannot overtake until after the first pit stop.

 

After that the team leader in the pits decides whether overtaking is allowed and under what circumstances.

Posted on: 30 August 2014 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by Lionel:

I don't think anyone has actually said how he would handle the situation if he were in charge. This is what I would do:

 

Mercedes has a huge lead in the constructors' championship. Mercedes' first priority is to win the constructors' championship.

 

Nico has a good lead over Lewis in the driver's championship. Fighting between team mates is detrimental to the primary aim of the team.

 

Team orders would be that the Merc driver behind at the start on the grid cannot overtake until after the first pit stop.

 

After that the team leader in the pits decides whether overtaking is allowed and under what circumstances.

And if your star drivers disobey the orders and take matters into their own hands?

Posted on: 30 August 2014 by George J

And if your star drivers disobey the orders and take matters into their own hands?

 

Turn off the tele!

 

AGTB from George

Posted on: 30 August 2014 by Lionel
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:
Originally Posted by Lionel:

I don't think anyone has actually said how he would handle the situation if he were in charge. This is what I would do:

 

Mercedes has a huge lead in the constructors' championship. Mercedes' first priority is to win the constructors' championship.

 

Nico has a good lead over Lewis in the driver's championship. Fighting between team mates is detrimental to the primary aim of the team.

 

Team orders would be that the Merc driver behind at the start on the grid cannot overtake until after the first pit stop.

 

After that the team leader in the pits decides whether overtaking is allowed and under what circumstances.

And if your star drivers disobey the orders and take matters into their own hands?

You call the offending driver for a pitstop and leave him there for 5 seconds for the first offence, 7 for the second, 10 for the third.

 

Posted on: 30 August 2014 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by Lionel:
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:
Originally Posted by Lionel:

I don't think anyone has actually said how he would handle the situation if he were in charge. This is what I would do:

 

Mercedes has a huge lead in the constructors' championship. Mercedes' first priority is to win the constructors' championship.

 

Nico has a good lead over Lewis in the driver's championship. Fighting between team mates is detrimental to the primary aim of the team.

 

Team orders would be that the Merc driver behind at the start on the grid cannot overtake until after the first pit stop.

 

After that the team leader in the pits decides whether overtaking is allowed and under what circumstances.

And if your star drivers disobey the orders and take matters into their own hands?

You call the offending driver for a pitstop and leave him there for 5 seconds for the first offence, 7 for the second, 10 for the third.

 

And if he doesn't come in?

Posted on: 30 August 2014 by Harry

In the same GP that RBR had their little multi twenty one mid life crisis, Rosberg, who was faster than Hamilton was instructed not to overtake him and sat behind for a stint, finishing after Hamilton, like a good MB employee. I expect he expected a quid pro quo consideration in Hungary, what with being on a different strategy. Hamilton overruled the team and I expect Rosberg won't be taking a blind bit of notice of anyone from now on. Bernie will be rubbing his hands together as the vivisection my the media circus and the prospect of more on track sibling strife continues - kerching! You couldn't make it up, and in F1 you don't have to. It's always been the same.

Posted on: 30 August 2014 by Lionel
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:
Originally Posted by Lionel:
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:
Originally Posted by Lionel:

I don't think anyone has actually said how he would handle the situation if he were in charge. This is what I would do:

 

Mercedes has a huge lead in the constructors' championship. Mercedes' first priority is to win the constructors' championship.

 

Nico has a good lead over Lewis in the driver's championship. Fighting between team mates is detrimental to the primary aim of the team.

 

Team orders would be that the Merc driver behind at the start on the grid cannot overtake until after the first pit stop.

 

After that the team leader in the pits decides whether overtaking is allowed and under what circumstances.

And if your star drivers disobey the orders and take matters into their own hands?

You call the offending driver for a pitstop and leave him there for 5 seconds for the first offence, 7 for the second, 10 for the third.

 

And if he doesn't come in?

He gets disqualified by race officials for not changing his tyres at least once during the  race.