Switch from CD to Network

Posted by: Bodger on 18 January 2014

I have recently had my CDS3 repaired but am now considering the switch away from silver disks. My replacement for the CDS would be the NDS. If I understand correctly, this would slot right into my system and be powered by my existing 555PS. As the NDS won't rip or store files, I would need to do this elsewhere.  

 

First question concerns ripping/copying the CDs. The only route I have right now is via iTunes. Is this the recommended route or is there better/other products available? We only have Windows pcs in the house, no Macs.

 

I already have a WD NAS that the NDS could "see" either wirelessly or via cable. Again are there better more bespoke NAS devices for storing music files that would work with the NDS? I guess any such device would be able to take ripped files via cable or "cloud" route? Any advice on the best file type to create from CD, FLAC etc?

 

I will be grateful for any advice from those who have trodden this path before me. Incidentally, the choice of NDS is based on forum opinion that I would not be disappointed after owning a CDS3.

 

Thanks, Dave 

Posted on: 21 January 2014 by A. Lawson

i see what you are saying about the backup being external. I also agree with the more redundancy you have the safer you are...so do both basically.

 

I can also say that battery backups are a good idea for your PC and NAS. 

 

I do battery backups on my iMac, NAS, router, switches, and modem. that way the network can never go down while I am transferring anything resulting in corrupted data.

 

Synology is the way to go if you can wing it. For ease. I know they can also be set to email you when drives are failing and things of that nature.

Posted on: 21 January 2014 by A. Lawson

also never cut and paste. ever.

Posted on: 21 January 2014 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Err, a somewhat enigmatic comment. What are you not cut and pasting? And why not?

Simon

Posted on: 22 January 2014 by TommayCat

Copy a file first and then paste it somewhere else. When it has copied successfully you can delete the original. That way if anything untoward should happen whilst copying (like the lights go out), the original file is still in one piece.  There's many a slip twixt cup and lip.

Posted on: 22 January 2014 by Bananahead
Originally Posted by TommayCat:

Copy a file first and then paste it somewhere else. When it has copied successfully you can delete the original. That way if anything untoward should happen whilst copying (like the lights go out), the original file is still in one piece.  There's many a slip twixt cup and lip.

But that is exactly what any decent operating system does anyway.

Posted on: 22 January 2014 by garyi

Not that the lights have gone out on me before i can honestly say on pc and mac nothing untoward has ever happened to the original file whilst in a transfer situation. You might get an error for what ever reason stating it failed to copy, and i have even had macs goto sleep half way through a transfer (picking the copy progress back up on wake) 

 

in a cut situation if it fails for what ever reason the cut file remains where it was.

Posted on: 22 January 2014 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by A. Lawson:

i see what you are saying about the backup being external. I also agree with the more redundancy you have the safer you are...so do both basically.

Yes, but the other significant point is that RAID setups (whilst not without its uses) use a different logic to backup arrangements. True backup stores a copy of data from before it was lost/corrupted. Raid just stores two copies of current data. It the current data is corrupted or lost, there is no backup as the copy is also corrupt. There is no previous version.

 

On a related note: When working with large files at work, I am obsessive about saving fresh versions regularly. That way, if the file becomes corrupted in some way (less common than it was, admittedly) I can start again from a relatvely recent version, rather than having re-create the file from scratch.

Posted on: 22 January 2014 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by Bananahead:
Originally Posted by TommayCat:

Copy a file first and then paste it somewhere else. When it has copied successfully you can delete the original. That way if anything untoward should happen whilst copying (like the lights go out), the original file is still in one piece.  There's many a slip twixt cup and lip.

But that is exactly what any decent operating system does anyway.

Yep. The orginal automatically stays put until the copy is done and verified as complete.

 

(When cut and pasting on a single disc, I suspect that the file doesn't really get moved in any case. It just gets re-adressed so it appears in a different place to the user.)

Posted on: 22 January 2014 by Foxman50
Originally Posted by TommayCat:
 
Thanks Graeme.  I chatted with my Naim dealer about this today.  He said in his opinion Minim is a good solution (especially for classical), but there is potentially an issue when Java itself needs to be upgraded.  He has made many successful installations using Synology's own media server. I've not tried this yet but will give it a go, on the grounds that it reduces overall complexity.  I already use JRiver, but my aim is to be able to operate without the computer switched on.
 
Anyone else have good/bad experience of Synology's media server?
 

Yes i think it says on the website about the java link getting broken, whatever that means, if you update java. To be honest it wasnt installed before, so i wont be updating it.

 

Graeme

Posted on: 22 January 2014 by A. Lawson

I am going to bow out. You guys use Upnp and I use Samba...In my opinion even though its just a bit different it is a better process. But since you guys decide to use Naim products that only support UpNp, as far as I know which is a little they don't support Samba.

I have had glitchy issues with Upnp streaming movies...such as issues with fast forwarding and rewinding. skipping multiple chapters and having the stream have to catch up...it could be different with music. I have tried it on a fat and slim PS3 wired and my Oppo BDP-103...but using Samba I still have issues but much less. No problems with music using Samba and flac, wav, aiff, alac.

 

There are so many ways to accomplish what you want you just need to decide how you are going to play the music, through a computer or using a Naim product. That will determine your type of file sharing. The type of file sharing will determine the manufacturer of the NAS you will use.

 

Figure that out and you'll be ripping in no time.

Posted on: 22 January 2014 by garyi

Almost all nases over a hundred quid support Samba/UPNP/Apple Filing/DNLA/FTP etc etc, so not entirely sure what your point is.

 

Naim's HDX/NS01/NS02/NServe use Samba.

Posted on: 22 January 2014 by Simon-in-Suffolk

My UPnP server uses Samba (CIFS) to mount the NAS file systems, so I use both.

All the NASs I have had or use now support AFP (Apple), CIFS (Microsoft) and NFS (Unix) file sharing protocols and the FTP transfer protocol. In the home one of those will almost always work and is now not even limited to the vendors platform. For most it's plug and play and they might not even be aware which file transfer protocols they are using.

Simon

Posted on: 23 January 2014 by A. Lawson
As I stated I did not know what Naim uses.
I also know that a lot of people use upnp because it's easy, I guess I could have made my point more clear. I apologize.