n-Stream: Lack of Client Use
Posted by: Musicmad on 23 January 2014
I posted this query (now updated) on another thread ("iPad mini vs iPod Touch for n-stream") but as my query relates to another (albeit similar) matter I thought a new thread was in order.
If anyone can link me to another thread which answers this query I should be most grateful and close this thread.
As a new NDX owner I'm enjoying the vast sound improvement over the SB Touch which it replaced. Not so the accessibility. Reluctantly I've now bought into i-world and am the "proud" owner of two iPods (one brand new 5th Gen and an old 2nd Gen I bought cheaply on eBay) to go with the iPad we bought 15 mths ago when I thought about buying the NDX (a decision deferred for 12 mths)..
Only to find that whilst each of the three devices accesses n-Stream (using both Twonky and MinimServer) it is not possible to do so concurrently. Very annoying!
Perhaps this is a case of you don't miss what you've never had but the wonderful flexibility/accessibility of the SB system leaves n-Stream in the shade. If it's a major software programming hurdle ... so be it. But if Naim's software programmers can update n-Stream to allow multiple client access (within the same wireless domain, of course) then I strongly urge them to do so. At least then I won't feel like I've wasted GBP 200 buying iPods which have limited use.
Or have I missed a setting somewhere which will over-ride this apparent conflict?
Mitch.
Posted on: 23 January 2014 by hungryhalibut
Are you saying that you cannot use three streaming clients concurrently, or that you cannot control the NDX using three iPads/Pods at the same time?
If the latter, I don't see why you'd want to.
And if the former, I can stream from my nServe to three clients, each playing different music.
Doubtless I've got hold of the wrong end of the proverbial stick......
Posted on: 23 January 2014 by Musicmad
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:
Are you saying .. that you cannot control the NDX using three iPads/Pods at the same time?
..., I don't see why you'd want to.
...
Maybe I'm using the wrong terminology. I can use each of the iPods/iPad to control the NDX (choice of music and volume) but if one is connected (e.g. old iPod in kitchen) then neither the new iPod (work room) or iPad (bedroom) can access n-Stream. We have to stop access on one to gain access on another.
You may ask why we should want multiple access but having had that with the Logitech SB set-up we found it very convenient (e.g. pause/silence the music if the phone rings).
I'm sure we can get used to the restriction (and I have no regret about upgrading from SB Touch to NDX - despite all the hassle involved) but I had no idea this would be a restriction and would probably not have purchased one of the iPods if I'd known.
As I suggest: if it's not a complex software matter then I think it would be a good step forward for Naim to overcome this restriction.
Mitch
Posted on: 23 January 2014 by Bart
Mitch your observation is accurate -- one copy of n-Stream at a time. You cannot use more than one device, connected simultaneously, to control the NDX with n-Stream.
How hard it would be for Naim to program that out of existance -- I have no idea. But that is indeed the way things work.
Posted on: 23 January 2014 by Simon-in-Suffolk
Indeed Naim seem to have designed their clients such that only one client can be associated with the network player at a time. To have multiple control points might consume too many resources within the limited capacity of the streamer boards.
Simon
Posted on: 23 January 2014 by hungryhalibut
Thanks for explaining, now I see the issue.
Posted on: 23 January 2014 by Musicmad
Thanks to each and all ... oh well, we'll get used to it! 
And, as I said: the sound is wonderful.
Cheers,
Mitch
Posted on: 23 January 2014 by Matteo
Nstream is panic for me
very often it doesn't work and needs a reboot (or a turn off / on of the ND5)
Posted on: 24 January 2014 by KstSwe
As a consumer coming from Sonos world I also see the lack of multi-control.
I normally grab the closest device to manage equipment, that maybe one of several iDevices.
Br
Kenneth
Posted on: 24 January 2014 by DomTomLondon
Funny I've never ran into this issue. I sometimes start listening to music using my iPad mini to select an album and control the volume, then if I'm doing something in the kitchen and want to switch to another album or song I just use my iPhone, which I have at hand, to do it instead of going to get the iPad. Is this what you had in mind or are you after a different feature.
Posted on: 24 January 2014 by Bart
Originally Posted by DomTomLondon:
Funny I've never ran into this issue. I sometimes start listening to music using my iPad mini to select an album and control the volume, then if I'm doing something in the kitchen and want to switch to another album or song I just use my iPhone, which I have at hand, to do it instead of going to get the iPad. Is this what you had in mind or are you after a different feature.
It depends on how long the time is between uses of different devices, or probably more precisely whether the first instance of n-Serve is really still active. I've not played around with it enough to know any more . . . but clearly there comes a time when a different device can be used. Exactly how long it takes or what it takes? I'm not sure.
Posted on: 24 January 2014 by sjbabbey
Maybe something to do with the "stay connected" or "auto connection" settings in n-stream?
Posted on: 24 January 2014 by Musicmad
Originally Posted by sjbabbey:
Maybe something to do with the "stay connected" or "auto connection" settings in n-stream?
No, it does not matter whether this is set as auto or not,
If it's just me in the house then there's little problem (though the old Logitech SB set-up provided more convenience). But when we're both at home it was very useful if my wife had access to the system whilst I was controlling it elsewhere. It's not that we live in a big house - nothing like - but if I'm working at the PC (and choosing music
) my wife could view the SB Controller (in the kitchen) or the iPad~SqueezePad (wherever) to see what was playing.
When an album finished she would choose ... it's simple flexibility. Now we must ensure that we close down n-Stream each time we choose something to play so that the other can access it if required. This means it takes longer to control (e.g. when the phone or door bell rings).
I can understand that it may not be possible to run n-Stream like LMS but I was checking to see if I'd overlooked something. It was only last week I found out how to control the volume from the iPad ... a huge step forward! 
Mitch
Posted on: 24 January 2014 by DaveBk
It's not a big issue for me, but I did alway admire the seamless integration of my old Transporter controlled by iPeng. It was convenient to grab a iPhone to mute when the iPad was out of reach. Also, changing tracks on one, and watching the other device sync up a second later was kinda fun...
it was obviously never considered as a valid use case when Naim designed nStream.
Posted on: 24 January 2014 by Tog
I believe this was an issue discussed in previous threads about the failings earlier versions of nStream. It was dismissed by many at the time as irrelevant but as time passes it is perhaps unwise to discount the importance of usability.
Tog
Posted on: 05 March 2014 by WonkyBit
I just saw this for the first time today.
Two iPhones and three iPads with n-stream.
I do not like rebooting gear not after weeks of settling in.
If the streamer needs a nudge maybe there is a 'soft' restart for its digital brain. [Phil?
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Posted on: 05 March 2014 by WonkyBit
just killed the n-stream on the ipad then iphone connected immediately.
i will double check the versions of n-stream.
i reset the ipad [in question] last night so it got the latest version late last night.
Posted on: 05 March 2014 by WonkyBit
Same version on both devices.
Saw the message on the ipad when i tried to connect.
Posted on: 05 March 2014 by Bart
Originally Posted by WonkyBit:
Same version on both devices.
Saw the message on the ipad when i tried to connect.
The info in the thread pertains to all versions including the newest
Posted on: 05 March 2014 by Manu
This a design choice by Naim
First versions of n Stream allow multiple controlers to connect together and it was a mess.
When your ipad goes into stand by it frees the line and another unit can take control
If you have issues, just shorter the delay before stand by on you ipads
Posted on: 05 March 2014 by WonkyBit
Manu,
Thanks I will check that out. I thought my iPad was dark when I tried using my iPhone.
Ron