555PS v 555PSDR on nDAC: for me the old dog wins

Posted by: MDS on 08 February 2014

Back in the late summer I had a 2-week trial in my system (CDX2.2/XP5XS/DCA1/nDAC/XP5XS/Hi-line/282/SC/250.2/Focal Electra 1028be) of a 555PSDR in place of the XP5 on my nDAC.  Given all the rave reviews on here of the 555PSDR I thought it would be an easy decision.  The 555 was carefully installed by my dealer, and this included a mid-demo fine-tuning of the position of my Electras.

 

Over the two weeks I tried a lot of stuff eg Phil Collins, Genesis, Family, Led Zep, Eagles, Mary Black, Garbage, Mac, Seal. There was an uplift apparent in resolution across all material, though the degree varied. High quality recordings like Mary Black really shone. On ‘Stories from the Steeple’ the strings on the double-bass actually sounded that they were being plucked, not just played - wonderful. Similarly, the acoustic guitar and hit-hats were coming out of the mix clearer than before before. And lead vocals on many tracks seem to project into the room rather better.  The heavy bass on Seal seemed to go a deeper albeit with more prominence, and the different layers within the complex mix became easier to make sense of. Cymbals had a wonder shimmer.

 

But it wasn’t exclusively positive.  The bass on some stuff seemed overly prominent e.g. on Garbage 2.0 the 555PSDR resolved this heavy duty and complex stuff really well but on Temptation Waits and Medication the bass was a bit over-blown. I also sensed a heightened ‘hardness’ in presentation on some material eg Phil C and Genesis.  It was if the 555PSDR was amplifying the digital signature which I guessed might be inherent in the CDX2 and/or DAC. So at the end of two weeks the XP5 was plugged back and I listened to those albums again. Phil Collins’ ...But Seriously had now lost that glare making the album enjoyable again. High-hats etc were no longer as well defined and had lost that delightful shimmer but hadn’t disappeared completely. On Garbage the XP5 retreated on resolution but the bass better fitted the mix - not as well defined but not drawing overdue attention to itself.   On Push it, my favourite track on the album, the 555PSDR certainly resolved the different threads wonderfully and in a way the XP5 just couldn’t manage but the XP5, even with its fuzzier edges, still probably had the edge in entertainment value. It was similar with Genesis’s We Can’t Dance. I certainly missed the crashing of the cymbals that the 555DR resolved but with the XP5 I was tempted to turn the wick up, despite the lower resolution, whereas with the 555DR I was reaching to turn it down. Telling.  

 

So what did I make of all this?  I got the impression that the 555PSDR was sometimes pushing the nDAC or system a bit harder than it was really comfortable with,  like turbo-charging a car slightly beyond its design parameters perhaps. I would find myself more often turning the volume control down with the 555DR rather than up.  With the twin XP5s back in the system has relaxed again and the music, even though less detailed, flowed better. 

 

So somewhat surprised and disappointed I parked the 555 idea and thought I would explore improvements on the amplification side.  Late in the year I tried a 252 and SCDR and an XPSDR.  The latter was only marginally better than my XP5 so was easily dismissed.  The 252 and SCDR was nice. A different presentation to the 282: more laid back but more detailed and atmospheric.  My dealer and I agreed I should reflect over the Xmas break.

 

And then a couple of weeks ago my dealer suggested I try a Powerline on the 282’s Napsc [See separate thread https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...-be-hearing-this-but] which was a revelation and having added another couple of PLs the amps suddenly seemed to exert a much better grip as well as producing more detail. And as coincidence would have it he had just had a 555PS traded in and we agreed I would give it try. That was last weekend. 

 

After a 24hr warm up of the 555PS the first album I listened to was Melody Gardot’s Worrisome Heart.   Very nicely detailed and atmospheric. Fretwork I hadn’t noticed before. Instruments seem between separated. Not quite the delightful shimmering on cymbals I recalled from the 555DR but on the other hand the slight edge to Melody’s voice I’d previously noticed when trialling the 555DR wasn’t evident. Next up Mary Black’s Stories from the Steeples. Double-bass very clear in the mix with the strings clearly being plucked, but balanced and not over-prominent. Vocals and backing chorus beautifully clear and ‘layered’.  Easier to make out some of the words of the lyrics. Mary’s powerful voice can easily come across as tending towards harshness on some systems. Not here.  

 

Seal’s Killer took another step forward. Everything seemed to start and stop that much quicker, the multi-layering seemed to expand even further, and still more detail comes out of the mix. The rest of the Seal album sounded very good, even at quite modest volume.       

 

Day 2 and remembering the 555DR seemed to emphasis the digital glare on Genesis and Phil Collins albums that’s where I went next. On We Can’t Dance I couldn’t detect it. No ‘edge’ to PC’s voice.  Again cymbals not as noticeable as on the DR but still well resolved.  The sound, especially the bass, had a nice velvety, rich feel.  I found I was nudging up the volume control as Driving the Last Spike started. The song washed over me.  As the song develops to the ‘big-drum’ peak there no hint of strain, as I have heard sometimes previously; the sound-stage just got bigger and deeper. On the title track, it felt like Phil C was standing a few feet in front of me. Best I’ve heard this song reproduced, ever.  Rest of the album skipped by with a lovely pace and bounce. It was almost as if the system was enjoying itself. A brief detour to Damien Rice’s O.  Bloody hell - this was visceral!  The clarity, presence and bass grip was stunning. 

 

Garbage 2.0 on which the 555DR rather over-did the bass was well resolved with more and more detail coming through. The bass was fulsome but better controlled.  DSOTM was given a spin. Straight from the off the synthetic heartbeat on Speak to Me seemed to go really low and there was detail I’d not heard before (I thought I knew this album inside out). The intro to Time was clearest I’ve heard those clocks to date and later in the song the bongos in the background came over very well.  Vocals throughout seemed clearer with the differentiation better between the backing vocals. Money bounced along wonderfully with it’s changing of tempo, and the sax had a great rasp, like a bite on a slice of lemon.  That deliciously rich bass was evident throughout the album, too.  

 

Day 3 - I revisiting some of stuff I tried earlier just to make sure my ears weren’t deceiving me.  They weren’t.  Supertramp’s Crime of the Century showed similar virtues: more detail, bigger soundstage and that entertaining ‘bounce’. Every aspect of the performance was better. 

 

In summary the phrases that sprung to mind were: fulsome but not over-blown;  a bigger sound but not forced;  softer and fruitier than the 555DR.  Top end didn’t tingle and shimmer quite like the 555DR but nor was there that tendency to emphasis glare, a trade-off I think worthwhile; and the soundstage had expanded hugely.  It was probably one of the shortest home demos I have had but also one of the easiest.

 

Am I saying the 555PS is better than the DR version? No, but it better suits my system and my ears. Just goes to show the importance of listening to kit in your own system. 

 

A long post, I know, but I hope others thinking of upgrading the PSU on their nDAC might benefit from it.

 

MDS  

 

Posted on: 08 February 2014 by Fokkelman

I heard similar stories about the preferences of a non DR against a DR. It's all very personal, but I admire you let your ears decide and not the technicalities.

 

BTW, I love Melody Gardot.

Posted on: 08 February 2014 by Christopher_M

How was the 555PSDR on the CDX2.2, then analogue out into the pre?

 

Chris

Posted on: 08 February 2014 by MDS
Originally Posted by Christopher_M:

How was the 555PSDR on the CDX2.2, then analogue out into the pre?

 

Chris

Didn't try it, Chris.  I've always used the CDX2.2 as a digital output to the nDAC.  That said, at the back end of my demo of the 555PSDR my dealer tried swapping the XP5 on the CDX2 with the 555 and using the other XP5 on the nDAC.  There it didn't seem to give much if any performance lift over the XP5.

MDS      

Posted on: 08 February 2014 by MDS
Originally Posted by Fokkelman:

I heard similar stories about the preferences of a non DR against a DR. It's all very personal, but I admire you let your ears decide and not the technicalities.

 

BTW, I love Melody Gardot.

And I bet Melody she sounds absolutely stunning through your newly installed 500, Fokkelman 

Posted on: 08 February 2014 by Christopher_M
Originally Posted by MDS:
Originally Posted by Christopher_M:

How was the 555PSDR on the CDX2.2, then analogue out into the pre?

 

Chris

Didn't try it, Chris.  I've always used the CDX2.2 as a digital output to the nDAC.  That said, at the back end of my demo of the 555PSDR my dealer tried swapping the XP5 on the CDX2 with the 555 and using the other XP5 on the nDAC.  There it didn't seem to give much if any performance lift over the XP5.

MDS      

Seems a shame. You've a lot of front end there and I don't think Naim ever intended it to be that complicated for us to get a good signal into the pre.

 

C.

Posted on: 08 February 2014 by MDS
Originally Posted by Christopher_M:
Originally Posted by MDS:
Originally Posted by Christopher_M:

How was the 555PSDR on the CDX2.2, then analogue out into the pre?

 

Chris

Didn't try it, Chris.  I've always used the CDX2.2 as a digital output to the nDAC.  That said, at the back end of my demo of the 555PSDR my dealer tried swapping the XP5 on the CDX2 with the 555 and using the other XP5 on the nDAC.  There it didn't seem to give much if any performance lift over the XP5.

MDS      

Seems a shame. You've a lot of front end there and I don't think Naim ever intended it to be that complicated for us to get a good signal into the pre.

 

C.

Chris - just like the rest of my system, I arrived at this through a lot of listening and trial and error. And I started with the nDAC before I got the CDX2.2.  I know a four-box CD system seems a bit over-the-top but I suspect it would take a CD555 to better it.

 

Posted on: 08 February 2014 by Fokkelman
Originally Posted by MDS:
Originally Posted by Fokkelman:

I heard similar stories about the preferences of a non DR against a DR. It's all very personal, but I admire you let your ears decide and not the technicalities.

 

BTW, I love Melody Gardot.

And I bet Melody she sounds absolutely stunning through your newly installed 500, Fokkelman 

She loves the 552/500 combo. 

Posted on: 08 February 2014 by Massimo Bertola

Chris,

 

I've heard a CDX2.2/555PS twice, and the second time it was a 555PSDR.

In absolute terms, I'd say it was stunning: a degree of detail and coherence to leave open-mouthed, but also a radical smoothing of the upper treble in comparison to a classic XPS.2; a special, very special white light on everything, not fatiguing, very engaging.

Now I know - in more relative terms - that up that level of Naim gear personal taste counts almost as much as objective value, and that some prefer a CDX2/555PS to a CS3/XPS2 while others find a CDX2 too assertive both alone and with an XPS2; having heard a CDS3 recently, though, with ease and in a very qualified Naim system with Harbeth SHL5s, I must vote that the best CD replay machine I have heard so far.

But I suspect you already know that.

 

Posted on: 08 February 2014 by Christopher_M

Cheers Max 

 

C.

Posted on: 08 February 2014 by Renzo

Hi MDS, nice write up, really enjoyed reading it. Was just wondering  whether the 2nd test was done with the power line on the Napsc which the 1st one didn't.

Renz

Posted on: 08 February 2014 by MDS
Originally Posted by Renzo:

Hi MDS, nice write up, really enjoyed reading it. Was just wondering  whether the 2nd test was done with the power line on the Napsc which the 1st one didn't.

Renz

Yes it was, Renzo, and I think that was a significant factor in resolving the somewhat over-blown bass on some heavy bass music like Garbage that I experienced with the 555PSDR. It was the additional grip given by the Powerline on the Napsc, plus those on the SuperCap and 250, that caused me to re-visit the 555. I'm really glad I did.         

Posted on: 08 February 2014 by Simon-in-Suffolk

I feel slightly embarrassed to admit, and contrary to a post on another thread, I too have found the power line on the NAPSC has an attractive effect, it's hard to describe but definitely preferable. It kind of adds an upper mid spacing to the audio. Ok it's subtle but definitely there.

Simon

 

Posted on: 09 February 2014 by Christopher_M
Originally Posted by MDS:
I know a four-box CD system seems a bit over-the-top but I suspect it would take a CD555 to better it.

 

Morning,

It's clear to me you need the nDAC, you had it first etc. But surely you'd want to easily test your assertion by trying your 555PS on your cdp and then analogue out...

 

I admit though that it may put you in a psychologically difficult place if it's preferable to the four box source (and doubtless the 555PSDR even better), raising questions about your chosen transport and dac path. 

 

Chris

Posted on: 09 February 2014 by Marky Mark
Originally Posted by Frank F:
The other likely factor could be using Phil Collins

what is the point in worrying about the hi-fi?

Posted on: 09 February 2014 by analogmusic

Although I do quite like Genesis and Phil Collins, all I can say is that maybe the 555 DR may be simply telling the truth. And sometimes truth is painful 

Posted on: 09 February 2014 by Christopher_M

*and with analogue out*

 

C.

Posted on: 09 February 2014 by imaginator
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:

I feel slightly embarrassed to admit, and contrary to a post on another thread, I too have found the power line on the NAPSC has an attractive effect, it's hard to describe but definitely preferable. It kind of adds an upper mid spacing to the audio. Ok it's subtle but definitely there.

Simon

 

 

Hello everyone

 

A few days ago I moved the Powerline from HI-CAP 2 to NAPSC of NAC 282 and it was a pleasant surprise. A more coherent and defined sound  and a better soundstage, more articulate bass etc. .. 

 

Yesterday HI-CAP 2 was replaced with a HI-CAP DR… WOW!

 

Imaginator

 

 

Posted on: 09 February 2014 by Christopher_M

MDS, Tried it yet?! (All of 5 mins work).

 

Chris

Posted on: 09 February 2014 by yeti42

I run an older CDX2 with a 555ps (non DR) but have heard the later one, selfpowered as a transport with NDAC/555ps (same one, I bought it ex demo) and with its internal DAC/555ps and prefered the musical flow without the NDAC, perhapse an external supply on the CDX2 will tip the balance but do try the comparison if you have the time (you may need to burn in the imnternal DAC if it's never been used).

Posted on: 09 February 2014 by Christopher_M

^ Thank heavens, at times I've thought I might be losing it on this one.

 

C.

Posted on: 09 February 2014 by CharlieP

Consider trading the CDX2.2, XP5XS and nDAC for a NDS. Power it with the 555PS.  

 

Cheers,

Charlie

Posted on: 09 February 2014 by Christopher_M

That was my first thought too but it seemed a tad brutal to suggest it.

C.

Posted on: 09 February 2014 by MDS
Originally Posted by Christopher_M:

MDS, Tried it yet?! (All of 5 mins work).

 

Chris

Not yet, Chris, and to be honest it's an experiment that I wouldn't be optimistic about. Let me explain.

 

The nDAC's presentation is something I've always particularly enjoyed. It's got that airy, detailed sound which just works for me.  The CDX2 on its own is reputed to have quite a forward presentation with lots of the 'boogie factor'.  My 282 also has a somewhat forward presentation (as compared to the 252 I have demoed). I find this enjoyable, but I fear the CDX2.2 adding more of the same would be too much, particularly playing into my Focal Electras with the Beryllium tweeter. System balance is key, of course. Also, I use the nDAC's USB input to play some hi-def downloads. And it is linked to my TV via an optical input into which the TV feeds a PCM output.  I'd lose all that if I used just the CDX2.2/555PS. Finally, while a four-box CD source might seem excessive, the box count doesn't trouble me because I've got two stacks of four-shelve so I've one shelve on the 'brain' stack still empty.  I don't need to downsize.

 

The system's performance is just fab at the moment and I'm happy to luxuriate it.   

Posted on: 09 February 2014 by CharlieP

OK, I admit a bit brutal.  i was assuming everyone already has a spare computer, a home network and an iPad.  But  not everyone wants to wrestle with software to play their music.  So thus additional investment needed for uServe.

Posted on: 09 February 2014 by MDS
Originally Posted by CharlieP:

Consider trading the CDX2.2, XP5XS and nDAC for a NDS. Power it with the 555PS.  

 

Cheers,

Charlie

Thanks for the suggestion, Charlie.  The NDS certainly gets rave reviews on here but frankly streaming is not for me at the moment.  Call me a luddite, but an occasional browse of the Streaming threads reminds me why I stick to CDs.  I want to relax to my music not spend hours trying to resolve software conflicts and version updates. If I had an NDS I'd still feed it from the CDX2's digital feed which would negate much of the NDS's functionality I guess.

MDS