MH370 - When is it enough?
Posted by: winkyincanada on 29 March 2014
Any views on how much longer the search should go on in the absence of confirmed debris or new information?
What if they find confirmed debris? How long should they spend then looking for the "black box" and recovering wreckage?
I'm not sure what the rolling-total cost is, but at some point, isn't it better to spend the money on something else?
I'm beginning to come around to Winky's way of thinking.
Millions upon millions searching for a plane full of dead people whose location is unknown. Continuing after two months.
A few thousand dollars spent on looking for four sailors, who might very well be alive, and whose location was known. Stopped after two days.
I just read about that. On face value, the notion that they would have had time to get into the liferaft seems plausible. Presumably an EPIRB hasn't been activated.
I understand that each crew member had a PIB and that fisrt, one was activated, then after it went silent a second one was activated. But nothing since,
Seems to me as if they got into the 12-man life raft and survived for a couple of days but have now perished.
On this basis it seem pointless to continue the search for four dead bodies and little prospect of learning much that could be of benefit for others.
I'm beginning to come around to Winky's way of thinking.
Millions upon millions searching for a plane full of dead people whose location is unknown. Continuing after two months.
A few thousand dollars spent on looking for four sailors, who might very well be alive, and whose location was known. Stopped after two days.
I just read about that. On face value, the notion that they would have had time to get into the liferaft seems plausible. Presumably an EPIRB hasn't been activated.
I understand that each crew member had a PIB and that fisrt, one was activated, then after it went silent a second one was activated. But nothing since,
Seems to me as if they got into the 12-man life raft and survived for a couple of days but have now perished.
On this basis it seem pointless to continue the search for four dead bodies and little prospect of learning much that could be of benefit for others.
Can't people survive for a lot longer than just a few days in a life-raft?
I'm beginning to come around to Winky's way of thinking.
Millions upon millions searching for a plane full of dead people whose location is unknown. Continuing after two months.
A few thousand dollars spent on looking for four sailors, who might very well be alive, and whose location was known. Stopped after two days.
I just read about that. On face value, the notion that they would have had time to get into the liferaft seems plausible. Presumably an EPIRB hasn't been activated.
I understand that each crew member had a PIB and that fisrt, one was activated, then after it went silent a second one was activated. But nothing since,
Seems to me as if they got into the 12-man life raft and survived for a couple of days but have now perished.
On this basis it seem pointless to continue the search for four dead bodies and little prospect of learning much that could be of benefit for others.
Can't people survive for a lot longer than just a few days in a life-raft?
Yes. But they each had a PLB. No further signals suggests no further life.
Now, if a further PLB signal was picked up, that would change the whole scenario.
Now that Robin Knox-Johnson has added his endorsement to the petition for the US Coast Guard to resume the search, I now tend to agree, especially since he thinks "they should give it one more try". Experts, where would we be without them ?
In response to a request from the UK Governmennt, the US Coast Guard have agreed to continue the search.
How long should they search for ?
I am sure that there are people who understand how long it is possible to survive. After all Shackleton and his remarkable crew went in an open boat from Antarctica to South Georgia after he was ship-wrecked by pack-ice.
The assumption would have been in most [uninformed] quarters that even if they had set out on this epic journey, they would have been bound to fail ...
I would not want the responsibility of answering the question and would easily admit that I have not the necessary expertise for my non-existent answer to be of any value at all!
ATB from George
After all Shackleton and his remarkable crew went in an open boat from Antarctica to South Georgia after he was ship-wrecked by pack-ice.
True. They actually went from Elephant Island to South Georgia, having spent the previous year or so in the frozen wastes since Endurance sank. So yes, if these four men this week have managed to get into their life raft together with adequate supplies, they could, with luck, survive some considerable time.
Certainlt worth re-starting the search and asking ships in that area to be alert.
Can't people survive for a lot longer than just a few days in a life-raft?
Ocean survival expert on the Beeb today said that in the current weather conditions i.e. 6 metre waves, 50 knot winds and low temperatures, they're unlikely to survive more than 20 hours. A bit harsh I thought.
I hope this pic comes out.
The US Coast Guard have found the upturned hull, but their diver couldn't access it to assess whether the liferaft had been deployed . A passing ship spotted the hull a few days ago. The search is to be called off as scheduled, today. That decision seems a pity to me.
Liferaft still on board.
As Howard suggest there is no hope left now.
Very sad for the friends and families of course, but they were doing what they loved ...
ATB from George
Try Googling: MH-370, Freescale Semiconductor, Blackstone, Jacob Rothschild, KL-02, KL-03, Carlyle Group, Field McConnell, and uninterruptible autopilot modification...
BBM
Nice conspiracy theory. Mystery solved then !! except.........
................there is no clear explanation of how, when or where Rothschild effected the disappearance.
No doubt he has been arrested on suspicion and asked to provide details.
Don
Well, at least it makes more sense than believing that a jumbo jet can just disappear into thin air in this day and age. But hey, if you can sleep better believing the "official" story, so be it. I guess if it isn't reported on your beloved beeb, it just can't be true.
I also suppose you don't believe in the Downing Street Memo, or that the Bilderberg meeting commenced on Thursday May 29, and that the number one topic on their agenda, is what to do about Putin now that he has challenged the New World Order.
Oh well, sleep tight...
BBM
There are quite a few conspiracy theories, and other theories, but for sure, there is no "official" story. Just a few governments colluding at high level in a massive decoy search in the Southern Indian Ocean, without anybody spilling the beans to the press that it was shot down to prevent another "twin-towers" event in Singapore. So I guess it will be another sleepless night.
I have an open mind on the subject at present.
http://www.smh.com.au/wa-news/...-20140604-zrxaw.html
Surely they now have to give up and stop torturing the families of the survivors with false hope. This is getting ridiculous.
Winky, I don't think they are torturing the families. The families know their loved ones are lost. They know know there is little chance of ever discovering their fate.
However, for the sake of £200m ie approx the cost of a 777, quite a few organisations think it is worth continuing with a search. The $89.9A (c.£50m) million budget referred to for future investigation, doesn't seem at all unreasonable, IMHO
Winky, I don't think they are torturing the families. The families know their loved ones are lost. They know know there is little chance of ever discovering their fate.
However, for the sake of £200m ie approx the cost of a 777, quite a few organisations think it is worth continuing with a search. The $89.9A (c.£50m) million budget referred to for future investigation, doesn't seem at all unreasonable, IMHO
If the search had a chance of finding something, sure (well maybe). But the benefits of that A$90m spent will be zero.
http://www.theage.com.au/world...-20140626-zsm3p.html
And the pointless efforts continue. They really have no idea where this thing is, nor how to find it. A complete and utter waste of money.
Winky don't you find it disturbing that a large aircraft has gone missing like this? The search is no longer for survivors or even for the plane itself but for an explanation for what has exactly happened.
Winky don't you find it disturbing that a large aircraft has gone missing like this? The search is no longer for survivors or even for the plane itself but for an explanation for what has exactly happened.
Not in the slightest. There are a number of plausible explanations for the crash. Knowing which one is the real answer will not materially alter the risk of flying. There is perhaps a slight chance that some more bizarre explanation is correct, but that in itself doesn't mean we should really worry about it.
Though I would not want anyone to think that I lack sympathy for anyone who dies while on a journey - long or short, on a cycle, an aeroplane, or anything technologically in between - I don't think air safety will be affected one jot by continuing a search that seemingly has already been targeted over an impossible area, as there seems no conclusive evidence of where the aeroplane was when it ceased flying.
Enough is indeed enough.
It is most unfortunate for Malaysian Airlines that today they have lost another flight in desperately sad circumstances.
ATB from George
Winky don't you find it disturbing that a large aircraft has gone missing like this? The search is no longer for survivors or even for the plane itself but for an explanation for what has exactly happened.
Not in the slightest. There are a number of plausible explanations for the crash. Knowing which one is the real answer will not materially alter the risk of flying. There is perhaps a slight chance that some more bizarre explanation is correct, but that in itself doesn't mean we should really worry about it.
So why worry about effort and money? Why does that disturb you and the search for an answer not? Simplest to just be as blasé about both. Worrying about money and not caring about safety is the preserve of the Airline operator.