NZ most socially advanced nation.

A couple of further non-expert observations;

UK above Japan?

And this reinforces my view that Scotland should go Independant, try to emulate the Nordic model or anyone else it perceives to be worthwhile and let the new born child think for itself...the UK is just holging it back IMO.

Jason.

I found the SPI index this morning whilst doing some work related research, so I am posting and discovering at the same time, so excuse the haphazard postings.

Canada came in seventh, the best among the nations in the G-7. Germany is 12th, Britain 13th and Japan 14th.

Japan.

Does this mean that NZ has apologised to its indigenous population, made restitution, given them their land back? I must have missed that.

I was surprised to see that Brangelina is 9th on the list due largely to the high rate of adoption of orphans and its progressive legislation on human rights.

And where the hell is The Peoples Republic of Madonna...it's just a Material World.

You can see where this is going!

Jason.

Harry,

Yes, a start has been made to recompense Maori for historic injustices. In 1975 an act of parliament enabled claimants to negotiate with the government.

Many Iwi (tribes) have reached multi million $ settlements as well as land returns. Some Iwi, such as Ngai Tahu from the South Island have used their $ to become a significant economic force in NZ.

It is not perfect. Nothing will compensate loss of life, land and  dignity . But the clock cannot be turned back and a 21st century solution is at least underway.

This just in......  

The leader of the small island nation of La Isla Bonita, Premier Madonna, has challenged these results claiming her nation's adoption rate should place it well into the top five rankings.

More just in ....  

Oprah has offered to serve as a mediator to settle this discrepancy in rankings among nations. 

I am sure there are 'apology policies' in place of various descriptions, as there are in Australia, US and so on. I wonder where the 'apology policies' are for the UK, with regard to its historical suppression of indigenous peoples in places where the sun never set.

As I said some possible data gaps, but these are issues worth discussing.

Jason.

No gaps here Jason. I'm talking about NZ. You want to take it sideways? I wouldn't know where to start in the case of the UK. But many wrongs don't make it alright or take the heat off NZ.

The country on the median is Venzuela. I wouldn't have picked that.

Quite, data gap, selective memory, where does one begin or end. Harry does bring up an interesting point though. What would probably be just as useful is a method of measuring the effectiveness of 'apology policies' introduced by nations post attrocity/misdemeanour. That would make an interesting index....the English would have to dig up some pretty extraordinary policies.

Jason Not Japan.

Seems that NZ can accept the accolade without reflection. Isn't that nice? Mind you, they will anyway.

No revisionism or denial from my direction - I refer you to the topic title. You can make the discussion as wide or long as you like, but in the context of what I posted today I refer you again to the topic title.

Point noted and I don't disagree with you.

and my previous post is serious, for example in the Top 10 we have:

Denmark and Sweden's subjugation of Norway on more than one occasion, Norway's active suppression of the Sami, Sweden and Switzerland's complicit relationship with Nazi Germany whilst masquerading a neutral flavour and I am sure the Netherlands colonial past can be called into question, then there's Finland and Iceland? I need help for those two.

Jason 

Scandinavia, once again, shows what Scotland is missing by being tied to Westminster.

Have you noticed, there's no place for the Romans!

Jason

Whoops, that should read, "Norways.....................the Sami in the recent past". And not now of course.

Jason.

I am at a loss as to what England today has to apologise for.

I can take you to the graveyards of those people who "Ruled the World" when Canada, the USA, Australia, NZ et al were "discovered" and colonised. It wasn't me and many of those graveyards would be found in Canada, the USa Australia NZ .....you get the picture I think !

But if you really do think England has something to apologise for, I would invite you ask the Romans and Vikings (Norway, Iceland, Sweden, Finland, Denmark) plus the rest of Europe that invaded this land to start resitution and settlement issues over here.................

OI, all the Danes ever did wrong was to wear funny hats and beating England in foot ball during Euro 92 !  ATB Peter

Don, I am not sure you have grasped the spirit of the thread.

Jason.

I think you mean "British"...

Osprey, are you saying that Fins were enrolled (forced) into the Swedish armies of times gone by to fight those Ruskys and help suppress those Norsemen and generally keep the Swedes in fine fettle. That you were complicit in the barbarous torture, maiming and rape of countless peoples (including the Celts, Gaelics and Anglo Saxons). And your only excuse is that you were a small tribal race of expert sauna builders and rally cross drivers...and fine fishermen too.

I think we can forgive you for that

Jason.

Originally Posted by osprey:

       

Jason, you summed it up quite nicely

But on a more serious note we have not always treated the minorities too well here either (be it Sami or Romani people or disabled ones). And of course there was the Nazi connections during WW II also.

       


Well that's done it then. I  guess it's just Iceland, somebody must have some dirt to dish on the Icelandic people...not counting the banking collapse or the volcanoe eruption that ruined your holiday!

Jason.

The Cod War in the seventies.