Does a writer have any artistic freedom left...?

Posted by: Gajdzin on 26 April 2014

I'm just back from a meeting with my publisher. They said: "yes, we'd love for you to write another novel, as long as it takes place in Japan."

 

A little background: my first novel's action was in Japan and it was a bestseller here. The next one was happening in Singapore, then 2 in Japan. Now every reader thinks of me as a writer who writes books "about Japan". In my humble opinion I have never written a book ABOUT Japan. It's just a geographical place for the action. But that's how I got labelled. And I hate that label. I see myself as a writer of novels that talk about people, their stories, their emotions and experiences. A book is either good or bad and who cares if its action is in Japan or Wisbech, Cambridgeshire.

 

On the other hand I understand my publisher. They invest a lot of money in a book and they need to see some profit. They know my fans want to read about Japan, which is why my fifth novel, that had very little to do with Asia, was a bit of a flop - only 5000 copies sold in the first half year, and they printed 10000, hoping for much higher sales.

 

Should I sell out and write what the publisher (and, apparently, the readers) want to read about?

 

OK, I know it's a weird topic for a Naim forum But I found so much good advice here (albeit on somewhat different matters) that who knows, maybe someone will open my mind...?

Posted on: 27 April 2014 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by sharik:

Kevin-W: He is a tyrant and a bully

tyrants can't rule countries, at least not longer than a couple of months or so.

Well, Robert Mugabe has managed 34 years, and the Kims - perhaps THE modern archetype of a tyrant dynasty - in North Korea have managed almost 66 years between them. Even Pinochet managed 16 years.

Posted on: 27 April 2014 by sharik
Kevin-W: You are very naughty, with your selective quoting

i only read the forum rules thoroughly, unlike you did.

Kevin-W: if you were to write  polemic or a book against gay marriage, that is not illegal. But if your book urged readers to kill same-sex couples

no, only treat them in mental hospitals, this will do?

Posted on: 27 April 2014 by sharik
Kevin-W: Well, Robert Mugabe has managed 34 years, and the Kims - perhaps THE modern archetype of a tyrant dynasty - in North Korea have managed almost 66 years between them. Even Pinochet managed 16 years.

how on earth do you know they were tyrants and not something else?

Posted on: 27 April 2014 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by sharik:

because there's more to Russia then Putin, to start with, i jumped your bigoted view of things, in the first place.

On this, at least, we agree. I love Russia, its geography, its peoples, its culture and the nation's many contributions to the world in the fields of science, thought and the arts.

 

But there was none of the "bigotry" you chose to read into my original statement, which is why I wrote of  "Putin's Russia". To criticise the regime of a country is not to criticise the country itself, or its citizens - particularly if that country is ruled by a despot.

Posted on: 27 April 2014 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by sharik:

Kevin-W: if you were to write  polemic or a book against gay marriage, that is not illegal. But if your book urged readers to kill same-sex couples

no, only treat them in mental hospitals, this will do?

There's nothing AFAIK illegal in suggesting gays should be treated in mental hospitals, although I fear not many over here would take you very seriously if you did; indeed, they might even be tempted to wonder if the author was in need of psychiatric treatment him or herself...

Posted on: 27 April 2014 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by sharik:
Kevin-W: Well, Robert Mugabe has managed 34 years, and the Kims - perhaps THE modern archetype of a tyrant dynasty - in North Korea have managed almost 66 years between them. Even Pinochet managed 16 years.

how on earth do you know they were tyrants and not something else?

??? Yes, Pinochet, Kim il Sung and his sons, and Mugabe were/are all benevolent souls who rule(d) kindly, fairly and wisely, and let their people come and go as they please(d), and whole encourage diversity of opinion, thought and expression. Much better than all that democracy rubbish.

Posted on: 27 April 2014 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by sharik:
Kevin-W:  I do believe that freedom of thought and expression are fundamental and universal human rights to be enjoyed by all

yeah, go try it in today's Britain.

Can you give me an example? I know Blighty isn't perfect, but still... and anyway, what do you know about Britain?

Posted on: 27 April 2014 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by sharik:
Kevin-W: If you think that Reporters Without Borders' strings are being pulled by the CIA and MI6, you are sadly mistaken. In fact, the UK and US rank fairly low (33rd and 46th respectively) in the most recent Index

the US and UK might be evil but certainly not stupid, are they?

Kevin-W: why was Anna Politkovskaya, a prominent journalist and critic of both Putin and the regime's actions in Chechnya - and a real pain in the arse to the President - mysteriously shot in her apartment block?

ask the CIA that question.

I think, that in your conspiracy theory fug, you grossly overestimate both the reach and competence of the CIA and (especially) MI5 and MI6.

Posted on: 27 April 2014 by George J

Why do people talk of the "Human Right" of free speech? There is a privilege of sometimes somewhat curtailed free speech in Britain as in other liberal democracies. This has been fought for and defended against the most odious foreign powers over history. Absolute free speech, however, is not possible in any society for obvious reasons. It is a question of degree alone.

 

A compromise ...

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 27 April 2014 by GraemeH
Originally Posted by Char Wallah:

Kevin, we don't have a democracy, we have an aristocracy. It's why the Scots and the Cornish want independence, bless their little cotton socks. I think we had one that lasted a few years circa 1640's, but the aristocracy soon returned.

'We' (Scots) don't. A minority do, and it has ever been thus.

 

G

Posted on: 27 April 2014 by sharik
Kevin-W: But there was none of the "bigotry" you chose to read into my original statement, which is why I wrote of  "Putin's Russia"

but how she is 'putins' at all? Putin is only a clerk in position of the president of a corporation currently representing Russia, that's it.

Kevin-W: To criticise the regime of a country is not to criticise the country itself

it is, if implies that the country is ruled by a regime.

Posted on: 27 April 2014 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by George J:

Why do people talk of the "Human Right" of free speech? There is a privilege of sometimes somewhat curtailed free speech in Britain as in other liberal democracies. This has been fought for and defended against the most odious foreign powers over history. Absolute free speech, however, is not possible in any society for obvious reasons. It is a question of degree alone.

 

A compromise ...

 

ATB from George

Thank Gawd you don't rule the country George. Freedom of expression, of thought and of speech is an absolute right, something we should all strive and fight for at all times. It is the basis of liberty, without which men cannot lead truly fulfilled lives.

Posted on: 27 April 2014 by George J

Dear Char,

 

Well the rise of porn is something that seems to have come from a loosening of the theocratic influence, which of course may be regarded as a good thing or not according to personal taste.

 

I personally think it is potentially much more serious than it is generally given credit for.

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 27 April 2014 by George J
Originally Posted by Kevin-W:
Originally Posted by George J:

Why do people talk of the "Human Right" of free speech? There is a privilege of sometimes somewhat curtailed free speech in Britain as in other liberal democracies. This has been fought for and defended against the most odious foreign powers over history. Absolute free speech, however, is not possible in any society for obvious reasons. It is a question of degree alone.

 

A compromise ...

 

ATB from George

Thank Gawd you don't rule the country George. Freedom of expression, of thought and of speech is an absolute right, something we should all strive and fight for at all times. It is the basis of liberty, without which men cannot lead truly fulfilled lives.

Dear Kevin,

 

If I am correct, then you are journalist and writer. Have you ever been served a "D-notice?"

 

There are loosely defined limits to free speech. There is no right to absolute free speech in the UK, but only a hard fought for privilege to it within bounds. That is the reality whatever you might say. 

 

The authorities can spike a story without explanation and that is the truth.

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 27 April 2014 by sharik
Kevin-W: There's nothing AFAIK illegal in suggesting gays should be treated in mental hospitals, although I fear not many over here would take you very seriously if you did; indeed, they might even be tempted to wonder if the author was in need of psychiatric treatment him or herself...

aha, this is how you get pinched in the UK these days...

Posted on: 27 April 2014 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by Char Wallah:

Kevin, we don't have a democracy, we have an aristocracy. It's why the Scots and the Cornish want independence, bless their little cotton socks. I think we had one that lasted a few years circa 1640's, but the aristocracy soon returned.

Thanks to the untramelled excesses of neo-liberalism, we have a kind of kleptocracy, but really, nobody's truly in charge. Royal family aside, the aristos are fairly irrelevant these days, although the stench of unearned privilege persists everywhere. The Scots and Cornish aren't trying to get away from the aristocracy, they're trying to get away from the rule of Westminster and attempting to assert more control over their destiny. And who can blame them? Although with the slippery Salmond, I fear the Scots may be going from frying pan to fire...

Posted on: 27 April 2014 by sharik
Originally Posted by Kevin-W:
Originally Posted by sharik:
Kevin-W:  I do believe that freedom of thought and expression are fundamental and universal human rights to be enjoyed by all

yeah, go try it in today's Britain.

Can you give me an example?

that facebook lad is still doing time?

Posted on: 27 April 2014 by sharik
Kevin-W:

I think, that in your conspiracy theory fug, you grossly overestimate both the reach and competence of the CIA and (especially) MI5 and MI6.

come on... of course when i say 'cia' or 'mi6' i actually mean something similar to when you Westerners say 'kgb' or 'kremlin' - i kinda mock your naive exoticisms.

Posted on: 27 April 2014 by George J
Originally Posted by Char Wallah:

A ruling elite who go to elite schools and go on to govern the country is the rule of an aristocracy. John Major notwithstanding.

Also Mrs Thatcher. She was also an outsider ...

Posted on: 27 April 2014 by George J

All parties are stuffed full of asses that have a silver spoon up their posteriors!

 

Occasionally a Wilson, Calaghan, Thatcher or Major appears as leader, but the second row will always be drawn from what we might call "the ruling class" for all that. Hence we do have quite poor government overall!

 

Paternalistic, interfering, out of touch, and largely irrelevant but missing the crucial points till long after these should have been addressed, even if they ever are ...

 

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 27 April 2014 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by George J:

Dear Kevin,

 

If I am correct, then you are journalist and writer. Have you ever been served a "D-notice?"

 

There are loosely defined limits to free speech. There is no right to absolute free speech in the UK, but only a hard fought for privilege to it within bounds. That is the reality whatever you might say. 

 

The authorities can spike a story without explanation and that is the truth.

 

ATB from George

Hi George, I am yes, but I've never been served a D (or DA, as they are known these days) Notice - I'm not that important! .

 

However, you do know that they are issued in an advisory capacity only and are not legally enforceable? However, editors tend to comply with them, although not always - to give you some recent examples which were ignored, in matters relating to Snowden and PRISM.

 

Any form of prior restraint - whether it comes from governments or in the form of super-injunctions from errant footballers or corrupt corporations - is almost always resisted, both here and in the US, because it is regarded as the most oppressive form of censorship. Interestingly, governments', and corporations' control over the flow of information is gradually weakening and I think this is a good thing. This has been going on for around 25 years (think back to the "Spycatcher" farce) as the world becomes more interconnected and "globalised".

 

There are of course, limits to what can be said or expressed (for example, where a statement is likely to result in a crime, such as assault or violence, or in cases such as the dissemination of child pornography), but generally I do not agree with censorship.

 

For example (plucked at random), I do not think that Holocaust denial should be a crime (as it is, I believe, in Germany, perhaps with good reason). Holocaust deniers are usually either deluded or Nazis, but if they choose to think that the Shoah never happened, that is their right, even if people find their views deeply offensive. We can to a degree control what people do, and to a far lesser extent what they say, but nobody can, or has the right, to control what people think. This is what the Nazis, the Bolsheviks and other totalitarian regimes have always tried to do.

 

And when I am told that information is being witheld "for my own good" or "my safety" I get very suspicious and resentful. I am not a child.

 

 

Posted on: 27 April 2014 by George J

"Generally I do not agree with censorship."

 

"There are of course limits to what can be said ... "

 

So no absolute right to free speech even in your conception. I think we are living in the same world Kevin, and strangely agreeing, even if you think I should not ever rule the UK. I would agree on that too!

 

Very best wishes from George

Posted on: 27 April 2014 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by George J:
Originally Posted by Char Wallah:

A ruling elite who go to elite schools and go on to govern the country is the rule of an aristocracy. John Major notwithstanding.

Also Mrs Thatcher. She was also an outsider ...

And Ted Heath, Harold Wilson, Jim Callaghan and Gordon Brown.

Posted on: 27 April 2014 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by sharik:

that facebook lad is still doing time?

What Facebook lad?

Posted on: 27 April 2014 by Don Atkinson

Not the most reliable source, but Wikipedia might help a little.....

 

 

Freedom of speech is the political right to communicate one's opinions and ideas using one's body and property to anyone who is willing to receive them. The term freedom of expression is sometimes used synonymously, but includes any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used.

The right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any country and is commonly subject to limitations based on the speech implications of the harm principle including libel, slander, obscenity and pornography, sedition, hate speech, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, non-disclosure agreements.

The term "offence principle" is also used[1] to expand the range of free speech limitations to prohibit forms of expression where they are considered offensive to society, special interest groups or individuals. For example, freedom of speech is limited in many jurisdictions to widely differing degrees by religious legal systems, religious offense or incitement to ethnic or racial hatred laws.

A man expresses his views at a "speaker's corner" in London

The right to freedom of expression is recognized as a human right under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and recognized in international human rights law in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). Article 19 of the ICCPR states that "[e]veryone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference" and "everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice". Article 19 goes on to say that the exercise of these rights carries "special duties and responsibilities" and may "therefore be subject to certain restrictions" when necessary "[f]or respect of the rights or reputation of others" or "[f]or the protection of national security or of public order (order public), or of public health or morals".[2][3]