Coldplay's new album: A measured view

Posted by: Kevin-W on 19 May 2014

This is the funniest thing I've read in ages:

 

http://thequietus.com/articles...ghost-stories-review

 

Disclaimer: it was written by an old mate of mine, David Stubbs (the most mild-mannered chap you could ever wish to meet), who used to write the hilarious Mr Agreeable column in the Melody Maker back in the late 1980s/early '90s). The asterisks are intentional, by the way.

Posted on: 30 May 2014 by Big Bill
Originally Posted by GraemeH:

Roger Dean.

Roger Dean that was the guy, brilliant stuff he did back in the 70s.  Cheers Graeme.

 

tonym I don't remember saying I hated or even disliked them personally, I don't know them.  I do dislike (or even hate) the drivel they have turned out over the last few years.  I actually bought their first album and liked it for a while and then went totally off it and it seems to me everything they have turned out since Parachutes has just been more of the same - but even more insipid!

 

The fact that they take themselves so seriously does not help either imo.

 

I don't have a dog so it is mathematically possible that they did kill my dog!  Mind you dogs are smelly 'orrible things, so I wouldn't hate Coldplay if they had been responsible for my dogless condition.

Posted on: 30 May 2014 by tonym

You're not the only one posting an opinion here Bill.

Posted on: 30 May 2014 by rodwsmith
Originally Posted by Big Bill:

Seems to me that rodwsmith's attack on the 'effing and blinding' review is as bad as that review itself.

You can think that if you like, but for what it's worth I don't like the album. 

 

But I could not have made it, even if I had years and years to do so.

 

I could however write a smug, stupid, not actually useful, bandwagon-jumping review full of apostrophied swear words and insults, and it wouldn't take me very long.

 

I don't believe critics need to be able to perform at the thing that they are commenting on, but they do need to be able to understand it, and communicate their understanding in a meaningful way. Otherwise their reviews are valueless, and so therefore, are their opinions. There is nothing in that review that actually criticises the music, or even describes it really.

 

People who hate Coldplay are going to s****** and not buy the record. But they wouldn't have bought it anyway. People who don't hate Coldplay are going to regard the review (if they can be bothered to read it) as useless in determining whether they would or wouldn't like the record. Which is the point of a review.

Easy target. Badly shot at.

 

Wisdom is the acceptance that taste is subjective.

I read that it's the fastest selling record in history on some criteria or other (relative to what I can't remember). I think the reviewer is simply jealous. And it shows.

Posted on: 30 May 2014 by rodwsmith

What has the world come to when the word  S N I G G E R gets edited out of a post by an automated system?

 

Richard, that is truly, awfully, absurdly ridiculous.

 

 

Posted on: 30 May 2014 by tonym

I tried to put S N I G G E R in my original post Rod, but also got it blanked out. Guess it's because it contains the "N" word, but it's a bit daft. I mean, suppose I lived in s****horpe?

 

(yep, edited that out too!)

Posted on: 30 May 2014 by Bruce Woodhouse

Rod

 

Well said. I like my critics to describe/explain and write about the music, not just say good/bad and give it a star rating. i don't always agree with ptchforkmedia but in general their reviews are intresting to read.

 

Anyone can just slag off a piece of work

 

Mind you today The Guardian has a hilarious review of the Nicole Kidman movie 'Grace of Monaco'. Sounds an utter stinker!

 

Bruce

Posted on: 30 May 2014 by GraemeH
Originally Posted by GraemeH:

The art of the critical review is a fine line between unfunny and plain insulting rant (which the Coldplay one is) and the wryly critical clever and funny - which this one is I think:

 

http://www.theguardian.com/fil...review-nicole-kidman

 

G

Do keep up .

 

G

Posted on: 30 May 2014 by Big Bill
Originally Posted by tonym:

You're not the only one posting an opinion here Bill.

Err.. yes Tony that had occurred to me, but you seem to be tarring us all with the same brush.  That's all.

Posted on: 30 May 2014 by Big Bill
Originally Posted by Char Wallah:

@Rod + Bruce, my impression was that the review was a joke - this may or may not reflect on Cantplay's artistic merits - but I took it as a joke. I think it is fair to say Coldplop take themselves too seriously. Now there is no need to get on the defensive because someone has decided to slag of your favourite band Cantplop, it's nothing to be ashamed of, I myself like plenty of s### bands. (They just don't make as much money as C######y).

Here, here.  Could not have put it better myself.  'Nuff said as far as I am concerned.

Posted on: 30 May 2014 by maze

Cold, yes. Play definitely not.

Posted on: 30 May 2014 by J.N.

And the elephant in the room is ...................

 

If previous Coldplay albums are anything to go by, the sound is mastered for the mp3 player and they sound (to continue the literary style of the review) f***ing awful.

 

No ta.

 

John.

Posted on: 30 May 2014 by Adam Meredith
Originally Posted by Big Bill:
Originally Posted by Char Wallah:

@Rod + Bruce, my impression was that the review was a joke - this may or may not reflect on Cantplay's artistic merits - but I took it as a joke. I think it is fair to say Coldplop take themselves too seriously. Now there is no need to get on the defensive because someone has decided to slag of your favourite band Cantplop, it's nothing to be ashamed of, I myself like plenty of s### bands. (They just don't make as much money as C######y).

Here, here.  Could not have put it better myself.  'Nuff said as far as I am concerned.

I hope that, with effort, both of you might improve on this level of post.

 

I hope but I do not expect.

 

It's a lot safer to join in with general disapproval than expose something of yourself by saying what you like.

Posted on: 30 May 2014 by Big Bill

"It's a lot safer to join in with general disapproval than expose something of yourself by saying what you like."

 

What a pompous load of old toffee, I would never expose myself.

 

Besides, I often say on these forums what music I like. 

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by rodwsmith:

 

I could however write a smug, stupid, not actually useful, bandwagon-jumping review full of apostrophied swear words and insults, and it wouldn't take me very long.

 

Rod, here's a challenge for you - try it. And, more importantly, be just as amusing.Go on...

 

I rather doubt you'll be able to, though. I think you'll find it a lot more difficult than it looks.

 

 

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by Char Wallah:

 

I can never envisage Chris laughing, he's far too elegiac for that, most probably he is grizzling all the way to the bank. Whining bag of s###.

 

Do you think that when he spends his money, he "consciously decouples" from it?

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by rodwsmith:

 I think the reviewer is simply jealous. And it shows.

 

How so? How does it show? And what is he supposed to be jealous of? Being a rich and famous person regarded by millions of people as a pretentious, whiney tit?

 

As I said earlier, the guy who wrote it is a friend of mine, and while I'm sure he wouldn't mind a bit of Martin & Co's money (who wouldn't?), David is a really, really fine (and often very funny) writer with a number of acclaimed books under his belt - and another tome (on Krautrock) due out in the summer.

 

 

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by Big Bill
Originally Posted by Kevin-W:
Originally Posted by rodwsmith:

 

I could however write a smug, stupid, not actually useful, bandwagon-jumping review full of apostrophied swear words and insults, and it wouldn't take me very long.

 

Rod, here's a challenge for you - try it. And, more importantly, be just as amusing.Go on...

 

I rather doubt you'll be able to, though. I think you'll find it a lot more difficult than it looks.

 

 

He never took up your challenge Kevin, I wonder why?

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by Bruce Woodhouse

To be fair, if I only bought music made by people who's public persona I liked (or even just fail to detest) I'd have to sell my Smiths albums for starters.

 

Bruce 

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by rodwsmith
Originally Posted by Big Bill:
Originally Posted by Kevin-W:
Originally Posted by rodwsmith:

 

I could however write a smug, stupid, not actually useful, bandwagon-jumping review full of apostrophied swear words and insults, and it wouldn't take me very long.

 

Rod, here's a challenge for you - try it. And, more importantly, be just as amusing.Go on...

 

I rather doubt you'll be able to, though. I think you'll find it a lot more difficult than it looks.

 

 

He never took up your challenge Kevin, I wonder why?

Actually, I've been out all day. Is that allowed?

 

I've re-read the 'review', which apparently isn't a review but is a joke.

 

I think I've stated why I don't think it succeeds as a review. It doesn't review the music for a start, and relies on ad hominem attacks on the singer and his wife/ex-wife whatever. I fail to see how these people being ghastly or worthy of ridicule is important to the music. All the more so when he has (to my ears) quite an irritating voice.

 

But, anyway, it's not a review, it's a joke. Apparently

I think it fails as a joke, too, to be honest.

On the criteria of brevity and originality mainly. Humour, of course, is in the eye of the beholder.

Personally I grew out of finding seas of swearing "the most amusing thing I've read in ages" when I was about 20, around the time I stopped reading Viz.

 

So, I can't help thinking that the Venn diagram of what you find amusing, and what I find amusing has at its overlapping heart an elipsoid of greater slenderness than either Gwyneth Paltrow's waist, or Chris Martin's popularity. Perhaps we should both take the Mista H test.

 

So it seems like a fairly futile exercise for me to try to replicate your friend's review. 

I think I'll derive more pleasure from answering Richard's question in the wine thread.

 

 

Cheers!

 

Rod

 

PS I really don't like the album.