Thoughts on using a PC to rip your CD collection.

Posted by: Jim R on 20 February 2011

The may be quite a few people out there contemplating ripping their CD collection to a NAS.  I am currently 75% of the way through ripping a 1000 CD collection in anticipation of buying a streaming client of some kind (can I afford an NDX?) and I thought I would share my experiences.  I claim no special expertise, but do know a little more now than I did 750 CDs ago.

 

1.          Plan to spend a lot of time.  Most CDs will rip quickly and easily but some won’t (see below) and it is these that will consume your time.

 

2.          Decide what format you are going to rip to.  I have chosen flac because it is widely used, it supports metadata (tagging files with artist name, track name, etc.)  and, most importantly, it is lossless.

 

3.          Invest in good quality ripping software.  I bought dbpoweramp’s ‘CD Ripper’ and am very happy with it.  It automatically goes on line and retrieves track names, cover art, etc.  It reads and re-reads the CD until it is as confident as it can be that it has an accurate rip.  It then calculates a checksum for each track it rips and compares this on-line with checksums obtained by other users when they ripped the same track.  If they match you can be highly confident of a totally accurate rip.   If no one has ever ripped the track before, it re-rips many times until it is as confident as it can be that it has read the data correctly.

 

As backup, I also use the free ‘Exact Audio Copy’ beta.  I find it less pleasant to use but occasionally it will read a track that ‘CD Ripper’ cannot.

 

4.          I use a tower PC with two DVD RW drives.  By running two simultaneous sessions of ‘CD Ripper’ I can rip two CDs at the same time.

 

5.          Drives are cheap.  Buy new ones.  My new Plextor rips far more reliably that the old drive it replaced.   If you can have two drives, have different brands.  Sometimes my Plextor drive will read a CD that my NEC cannot, and vice versa.   Give the drives a rest occasionally.  Mine seem to rip less well at the end of a long session.  Do they get hot?

 

6.          Think about the directory structure you are going to create and how you will use tags.  I am ripping to a computer running the Asset Upnp software (seems excellent) and assumed that the file structure I used would be reflected when I browse the Upnp server.  Not true.  Upnp organises music by artist, album, genre, etc. purely based on the tags your ripping software adds to tracks.  The directory structure is irrelevant.  You can use a tag editor (I use mp3tag – it works with flac) to put it right afterwards but it is far better to get it right first time.  Do you want Bob Dylan to appear in the Bs or the Ds?  How many different genres will be used?  Experiment a little.

 

7.          I naively thought “I’ve always taken care of my CDs.  I put them back into their cases after use.  They’ll be in good nick and will rip easily.”  No.

 

          Most do rip fast and clean but a significant minority do not.  Typically a dodgy disc will have two or three tracks that either cannot be read at all or give checksums that do not match those in the on-line database.      My strategy then is to try it in my other drive.  Next I take it into the kitchen, rub it with washing-up liquid, rinse and dry thoroughly, then try again.  This often works.  I have considered buying a CD repair machine but haven’t done so yet.  I have also bought new copies of around half a dozen CDs so far.  Hope you have a better experience.

 

8.          Think about backup.   RAID discs mean you won’t lose data if a disk fails, but this is not enough.  You need multiple copies of you data, preferably in different locations.  While I am still at this early stage I run a script with copies the ripped files on to a second PC.  Once I’m finished, I may also buy a cheap external drive, copy to that, then leave it at a friend’s house.

 

9.          I have worked in IT for most of my life and have loaded many, many programs and much data into computers off CDs.  In IT such data transfers have to be perfect.  If one bit is wrong its byte is wrong and the program or data is therefore corrupt.  No ifs or buts. 

 

So I have always assumed the same must be true when a CD player reads an audio CD.  My recent experience suggests this cannot be so.  Sometimes the ripping software takes ages to read a track, reading and re-reading segments over and over again until it reads the same bits a sufficient number of times to be confident it read them right.  In extreme cases it can take five minutes to get a clean rip of a two minute track.  Are audio CDs made to a lower standard than data CDs?  Can anyone more knowledgeable explain this to me?

 

10.         I have yet to hear a good quality streaming client, but on the basis of point 9) above there must be a sporting chance it will sound better than CD.  Given that a CD player must work in real time, presumably it sends a quick ‘best guess’ reading of the bits to the DAC?  In a streaming environment we should be confident that the bits going to the DAC are highly likely to be exactly the ones that are on the disc.  So, hopefully, better sound.  Am I right?

 

Hey, I ripped 15 CDs whilst typing this!

Posted on: 20 February 2011 by DavidDever
Yes, data correction on audio CDs is not to the same standard as data CDs inasmuch as the error-correction mechanism for CD playback must be able to interpolate values in real time. This fundamentally changes the perspective on data retrieval, as you must then work around the native-to-CD-DA error correction schemas built into most drives.

As for your remark about good quality streaming clients–the upper limit on quality is ultimately dependent on the quality of the CD rip, no more, no less–from there, good digital design (from a manufacturer's perspective) and sensible network configuration will get you there.
Posted on: 20 February 2011 by Alamanka
Jim,

Regarding point 6.

It is possible to organize a collection by folder name. It depends on the software used. On my setup using a specific version of Twonky, the music tree is presented by folder.

Posted on: 20 February 2011 by james n
Originally Posted by Jim Roberts:

 I have yet to hear a good quality streaming client, but on the basis of point 9) above there must be a sporting chance it will sound better than CD

      

Really ? - what ones have you heard ?

James
Posted on: 20 February 2011 by Aleg
Originally Posted by Alamanka:


       


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        Jim,



Regarding point 6.



It is possible to organize a collection by folder name. It depends on the software used. On my setup using a specific version of Twonky, the music tree is presented by folder.












Asset will also present the directory/file structure but only with the licensed version and not with the free version.



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aleg
Posted on: 20 February 2011 by George Fredrik
A simple solution to a disc that will not rip correctly is buy a new copy.

Not a useful idea if the CD concerned is rare [ie, deleted from the catalogue and only available second hand at considerable cost if at all], but CDs are cheap as chips.

I made an ALAC library of 550 [or so] CDs with iTunes, and let my ears decide if a rip was satisfactory. iTunes even rescued two extremely rare CDs that would not play in any CD player without some troubles, so I recommend it. 

Simple and no investment beyond the time of the work involved. It took me most evenings for five weeks to do mine, and now every dusty corner of the collection is visited! Far better than CD in convenience, playback of music longer than a single CD can hold, and the quality of replay could not be approached for less than many times the cost of the hardware if this were spent on a CD player.

I have mine set up as a list with more than seven thousand tracks that are easily searched for via work name, or work catalogue number, and refined by adding the principle performing artist name where there are duplicate performances. It could not be easier. 

After eighteen months I had my first little crisis this weekend [caused by my own fat-headed-ness], but soon fixed it from my external drive [updated only three weeks ago], and this only underlines the need to make at least two back-ups, one of which should certainly be kept in another building. I back-up at the first weekend of the month unless no change or addition has been made.

ATB from George

My perfectly standard desktop PC had two internal drives of 80[?] and 500 GB. The big one is dedicated to iTunes files, and the platform is Windows XP. Nothing special, and the DAC is fed via USB, which is better than SPIDF via coax or optical, unless you have an expensive sound-card. The sound-card is bypassed as I have it configured, and the PC recognises the DAC as an external sound-card. Very effective, especially as the DAC is itself powered by its own dedicated PS, which is regulated, just like high-end Hifi pieces are! And not competing as all internal sound-cards must for its power with the rest of the computer.
Posted on: 20 February 2011 by ChrisH
Would anyone be able to tell me what the difference is between a rip done via the PC compared to a rip done by Unitiserve?



of course I mean ripped to a NAS device.

I have a Uniti and am perusing the pro's & con's of NAS/Serve.
Posted on: 21 February 2011 by Alamanka
The difference is $3,750.
Posted on: 22 February 2011 by ChrisH
 of course, I should have guessed!