Which AP support N-Stream without using UPnP compatability mode

Posted by: AYLW on 09 July 2014

I have spent lots of time trying to figure out how to make N-Stream work without the need to turn on UPnP compatability mode. It is so convenient to be able to create playlists and queue up the song you want to listen.  I cannot get my QNAP NAS running Twonky or Asset to work properly without running in UPnP compatability mode.  My dealer told me that a Synology NAS running Media Server will be able to run in "Normal mode", so I bought one just for this purpose.  To my suprise, it did not work out!  It still need to run in UPnP compatability mode .  So, what's left in my system that is different from my dealer's system is the wireless router arrangement.  I am using a Buffalo wireless router at home but I am not using it's wifi connection with the iPad because it's located far away from the living room.  I have 2 wired connection installed at the living room, so I used one for the NDX and the other for a small Access Point to provide wifi connection for the iPad.  I have tried TP-LINK TL-WR710N and EagleTec Nano Travel Router and use it as an AP but both need to run in UPnP compatability mode.  Today I tried to sit near the Buffalo wireless router and connect the iPad to it's wifi connectiom and bingo!  It is able to run in "Normal mode".  So now I need to find an AP that will work properly in "Normal mode".  I do not know what specifications to look for when I source for this AP, can someone give me some idea?  I prefer to get one that is small in size.  Thank you!

Posted on: 09 July 2014 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Use Asset here on a variety of platforms including Raspberry Pi in 'Normal' mode. Works a treat with my NStream and NDX.

 

As far as AP, I use an Apple wifi from an Airport Express and Time Capsule.. seems to work well with UPnP.

 

 

Simon

 

Posted on: 09 July 2014 by alan33
Originally Posted by AYLW:
I am using a Buffalo wireless router at home but I am not using it's wifi connection with the iPad because it's located far away from the living room.  I have 2 wired connection installed at the living room, so I used one for the NDX and the other for a small Access Point to provide wifi connection for the iPad.  I have tried TP-LINK TL-WR710N and EagleTec Nano Travel Router and use it as an AP but both need to run in UPnP compatability mode.  Today I tried to sit near the Buffalo wireless router and connect the iPad to it's wifi connectiom and bingo!  It is able to run in "Normal mode". 

Is it possible your AP is establishing a separate wifi network from your main router? Check IP addresses an ensure all devices - NAS, Naim, and especially IDevice running nStream - have the same subnet (ie only the last grouping is different but they all look like, eg, 192.168.1.xxx). I have a Synology (MediaStation and MinimServer) and an older IOmerga (Twonky) running fine (no compatibility mode), so it is not likely a NAS or server issue for you.

Regards alan

Posted on: 09 July 2014 by Phil Harris

Hi Guys,

 

Apples networking kit isn't the best performing in the world (I have a new Airport Extreme here on my desk and its WiFi performance doesn't knock my socks off) but it does tend to "just work" which for most people is the best accolade it can have.

 

The Airport Expresses do seem to work well as Wireless Bridges and Wireless Access Points and the kit seems to support multicast and unicast properly which is more than can be said of a lot of domestic kit (especially the freebie ISP supplied stuff).

 

Myself I use Ubiquiti "Unifi" wireless access points at home which allows for the creation of a basic but contiguous managed wireless network which seem to be reliable and stable so far and I still use a Draytek Vigor 2920n router ...

 

Phil

Posted on: 09 July 2014 by AYLW
Originally Posted by alan33:
Originally Posted by AYLW:
I am using a Buffalo wireless router at home but I am not using it's wifi connection with the iPad because it's located far away from the living room.  I have 2 wired connection installed at the living room, so I used one for the NDX and the other for a small Access Point to provide wifi connection for the iPad.  I have tried TP-LINK TL-WR710N and EagleTec Nano Travel Router and use it as an AP but both need to run in UPnP compatability mode.  Today I tried to sit near the Buffalo wireless router and connect the iPad to it's wifi connectiom and bingo!  It is able to run in "Normal mode". 

Is it possible your AP is establishing a separate wifi network from your main router? Check IP addresses an ensure all devices - NAS, Naim, and especially IDevice running nStream - have the same subnet (ie only the last grouping is different but they all look like, eg, 192.168.1.xxx). I have a Synology (MediaStation and MinimServer) and an older IOmerga (Twonky) running fine (no compatibility mode), so it is not likely a NAS or server issue for you.

Regards alan

 

Excellent Alan!  It is the subnet issue, problem fixed.  Thank you very much! 

Posted on: 09 July 2014 by Phil Harris
Originally Posted by AYLW:
Originally Posted by alan33:
Originally Posted by AYLW:
I am using a Buffalo wireless router at home but I am not using it's wifi connection with the iPad because it's located far away from the living room.  I have 2 wired connection installed at the living room, so I used one for the NDX and the other for a small Access Point to provide wifi connection for the iPad.  I have tried TP-LINK TL-WR710N and EagleTec Nano Travel Router and use it as an AP but both need to run in UPnP compatability mode.  Today I tried to sit near the Buffalo wireless router and connect the iPad to it's wifi connectiom and bingo!  It is able to run in "Normal mode". 

Is it possible your AP is establishing a separate wifi network from your main router? Check IP addresses an ensure all devices - NAS, Naim, and especially IDevice running nStream - have the same subnet (ie only the last grouping is different but they all look like, eg, 192.168.1.xxx). I have a Synology (MediaStation and MinimServer) and an older IOmerga (Twonky) running fine (no compatibility mode), so it is not likely a NAS or server issue for you.

Regards alan

 

Excellent Alan!  It is the subnet issue, problem fixed.  Thank you very much! 

 

So in this case your Access Point wasn't set up as an Access Point but was running as a router performing NAT and DHCP functionality as well?

 

Phil

Posted on: 09 July 2014 by AYLW
Originally Posted by Phil Harris:

So in this case your Access Point wasn't set up as an Access Point but was running as a router performing NAT and DHCP functionality as well?

 

Phil

 

Yes Phil, it was in wireless router mode.  After I put it to AP mode and changed the subnet, UPnP can work in "Normal mode".

Posted on: 09 July 2014 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Crikey _ I am surprised much worked al all if it was NATing inside your LAN...

any way at least it is sorted.

Simon

 

Posted on: 09 July 2014 by nudgerwilliams
Originally Posted by Phil Harris:

Hi Guys,

 

Apples networking kit isn't the best performing in the world (I have a new Airport Extreme here on my desk and its WiFi performance doesn't knock my socks off) but it does tend to "just work" which for most people is the best accolade it can have.

 

The Airport Expresses do seem to work well as Wireless Bridges and Wireless Access Points and the kit seems to support multicast and unicast properly which is more than can be said of a lot of domestic kit (especially the freebie ISP supplied stuff).

 

Myself I use Ubiquiti "Unifi" wireless access points at home which allows for the creation of a basic but contiguous managed wireless network which seem to be reliable and stable so far and I still use a Draytek Vigor 2920n router ...

 

Phil

+1 for the Ubiquiti thingies.  My dealer installed two in my house when I had the ethernet cabling done and they have been very stable.  I use an Airport Extreme as the router (with wireless turned off) and a 28 port Netgear switch.  Various iThings, PCs, a Zeppelin Air all work very well.