Qobuz on iPad and NDX

Posted by: P.Bonte on 22 August 2014

Hi,

I am currently testing Qobuz. I run it on my iPad and all works fine if I airplay to an airport (dig optical out to NDX).

When I try a direct connect (lighting cable to front USB on NDX), the NDX seems to look only for locally stored music on the iPad and does not hear qobuz streaming  - no sound at all ?

Is this logical or am I messing up things ?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions !

Posted on: 22 August 2014 by Aleg
Originally Posted by P.Bonte:

Hi,

I am currently testing Qobuz. I run it on my iPad and all works fine if I airplay to an airport (dig optical out to NDX).

When I try a direct connect (lighting cable to front USB on NDX), the NDX seems to look only for locally stored music on the iPad and does not hear qobuz streaming  - no sound at all ?

Is this logical or am I messing up things ?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions !

direct usb connection is only for usb storage not for 'signal streaming'.

Posted on: 22 August 2014 by P.Bonte
 

direct usb connection is only for usb storage not for 'signal streaming'.

 

I feared so

Posted on: 22 August 2014 by Simon-in-Suffolk

The NDX USB hardware can only proprietary stream Apple audio apps. This does not support, as. Aleg says, async USB audio. The Qobuz app relies on Async USB audio. You need a DAC V1 or a Hugo for that.

I understand that this Apple only streaming does not appear on the NDS and it's the NDS that can only use it's USB interface for storage.

 

Simon

Posted on: 22 August 2014 by P.Bonte

Anyway, works not that bad (further testing needed) over airplay. I also read about  - eventual - future integration of qobuz in the Naim world.

 

Thanks for your replies !

Posted on: 22 August 2014 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Fingers crossed, though I did hear a rumour that the phase 1 of the new NStream control software might only be for Spotify and not Qobuz .. we will have to wait and see.

Simon

Posted on: 23 August 2014 by KRM

Hi P.Bonte,

 

Qobuz can be played via direct connection to the USB input on the NDX and NDS. 

 

Here's how you do it:

 

- connect the iPad to the USB input;

- select the USB input using nStream;

- you shoud see locally stored (iTunes) tracks on nStream;

- select and play a locally stored track using nStream;

- stop the track using nStream;

- close nSteam;

- open the Qobuz (or Spotify) app;

- play as usual;

- enjoy :-)

 

Set out like this it looks a bit of a faff, but so does making a cup of tea!

 

As you would expect, it sounds better than via the Airplay. I use an Audioquest cable for a further improvement, but still use Airplay a lot because it is easy and convenient.

 

Keith

 

Posted on: 23 August 2014 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Keith, interesting, I shall give that a try later.

Simon

Posted on: 24 August 2014 by P.Bonte

Thanks a lot Keith,

 

It works , and if the description you give could seem a bit complex, in practice it is very easy !

 

Philippe

Posted on: 24 August 2014 by GraemeH

I footered around doing this for a bit before the NAS was set-up.  I was never convinced enough by the results to make it worth the hassle.

 

G

Posted on: 24 August 2014 by KRM

I only do it if I want to sit down and listen properly, which is rarely the case with Spotify due it its sonic limitations. Qobuz is a slightly different proposition as it sounds significantly better than Spotify so it's sometimes worth taking the trouble. 

 

Keith

Posted on: 24 August 2014 by Goon525

And having just ditched Spotify Premium for Qobuz Hi-Fi, I really do wish Naim would get their act together and integrate it. My current iPad and Apple TV solution works, but I suspect there is a degree of sonic degradation, albeit minor.

Posted on: 24 August 2014 by KRM

I'm using both at the moment. Qobuz sounds so much better, but the choice is limited and I use Spotify to share with friends and my kids. 

 

Try the direct connection. I would be interested to see if you think the improvement in SQ is worth the minor inconvenience.

 

Keith

Posted on: 26 August 2014 by endlessnessism

Sonos have integrated Qobuz, so a cheap-ish Sonos Connect is a good way to access it.  The Sonos Connnect can have a wired internet connection, which minimises dropouts, and you then use digital-out to your NDX, HDX, DAC, etc.  Music selection is via the Sonos app.

Posted on: 29 August 2014 by John Burton

Thanks very much for that solution, KRM. Having recently upgraded to an NDS and thereby eliminated the NDAC, I've really missed the direct USB streaming connect that the NDAC provides. So your workaround fills what for me has been a major gap.

John