Audio Netwoking and RFI Simplified
Posted by: Huge on 07 October 2014
Here is a guide I've written to help people with Setting Up Audio Networks, and to help deal with the common issue of Radio Frequency Interference.
It has benefited greatly from the assistance and most valuable input provided by Mike B and Simon-in-Suffolk - many thanks to them both.
https://drive.google.com/file/...S28/view?usp=sharing
I hope people find it useful
Huge
Well done, Huge - I had a good read of your earlier, draft version, and it's just what people (like myself) with limited technical knowledge need. Recommended reading for anyone who wants to get their audio network properly sorted.
I hope you didn't do this hoping it would reduce the number of posts from people seeking advice, it may well have the opposite effect!
Excellent post, it looks a whole lot easier to understand.
Although I do wonder about the recommendation of a mains conditioning unit as I found that the one I tried had a detrimental effect on sq on my set up........
Excellent post, it looks a whole lot easier to understand.
Although I do wonder about the recommendation of a mains conditioning unit as I found that the one I tried had a detrimental effect on sq on my set up........
It actually specifically states...
There is a reasonably well supported view that these mains conditioning units can rob the sound of its vitality. However the degree to which this effect occurs does seem to depend on the particular audio equipment in use.
Warning: Controversial…
Whether this effect is worse than the degrading effects that RFI have on the sound is much less clear and may depend on the unpredictable nature of the RFI at your location.
Please also note that this guide isn't specific to Naim equipment (it doesn't mention any manufacturer by name).
P.S. I use a mains filter (aka a mains conditioner) that for RFI filtering only uses inductors - the improvement in sound quality that I get is quite dramatic. Where I live there is significant conducted RFI on the mains.
Well done Huge, I hope you get a Naim badge... Great service to the cause... Only issue appears that Google drive docs don't appear on my iPad
Simon
Well done Huge, I hope you get a Naim badge... Great service to the cause... Only issue appears that Google drive docs don't appear on my iPad
Simon
Simon,
I assume you've tried a direct link by pasting
"drive.google.com/file/d/0Byjlr9brl1ykUDg1dUNzSTNVS28/view?usp=sharing"
into a browser address bar.
It should be available using the direct link as well as via the Google Docs interactive UI. I don't have any Apple devices to test, but this works on a Win7 PC.
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I have no Win devices, but I do have Magnepan loudspeakers
And you use them as windows? Well they are flat!
P.S. sorry I appear to be in a silly + sarcastic mood tonight!
Huge,
Excellent work, thank you! Thank you also to Simon and Mike-B.
I plan to check for continuity and grounding with an ohmmeter. Can I assume the metal around the connector on an STP cable is connected to the shield?
I notice you recommend CAT5e cables. Does this mean you prefer not to use CAT6 or CAT7 ?
My cable from router to switch is unshielded from the router for about 50 ft, then connects to a shielded cable the last 20ft to the switch. I did this because this cable passes behind the HiFi rack to the switch and my Mac mini on the other side of the rack. Is this even remotely sensible? Being a mechanical engineer I thought, perhaps naively, that this might reduce EMI issues from the cable itself.
Again, thanks for your sharing so much with the community.
Charlie
Huge,
Excellent work, thank you! Thank you also to Simon and Mike-B.
I plan to check for continuity and grounding with an ohmmeter. Can I assume the metal around the connector on an STP cable is connected to the shield?
Correct
I notice you recommend CAT5e cables. Does this mean you prefer not to use CAT6 or CAT7 ?
Cat6 is usually STP Cat7 is always STP, the precautions for STP (given in Apendix A) are needed.
It also states:
"It should be noted that wherever a Cat 5 cable is specified in the diagrams, any higher specified unshielded Ethernet cable can be used, specifically Cat 5e UTP, Cat 6 UTP or Cat 6a UTP.
N.B. Shielded (STP) cables are different, appendix A shows the precautions necessary in their use.".
My cable from router to switch is unshielded from the router for about 50 ft, then connects to a shielded cable the last 20ft to the switch. I did this because this cable passes behind the HiFi rack to the switch and my Mac mini on the other side of the rack. Is this even remotely sensible? Being a mechanical engineer I thought, perhaps naively, that this might reduce EMI issues from the cable itself.
STP cables will emit & receive less RFI than unshielded cables, but note the precautions stated in Appendix A.
Again, thanks for your sharing so much with the community.
Charlie
Thanks! Duly noted.
Thanks Huge, thanks also to Simon and Mike.
Im new to streaming and seem to be on a steep learning curve at the moment. Your document was easy to read and understand, and I will try implementing some of the techniques. Some of the smallest tweaks have made such large improvements in my system, so I read information like yours with great interest.
Thanks again
Dear Huge &C., thanks a lot.
Comes by me 2 minor questions (apologise me):
- are ferrites anyway useful when we use shielded cable, a picture shows STP cable with it?
- very often NAS comes with a class II power supply, in which usually there is not main ground connection and where shielded plugs are simply routed to the global 0V (I've checked with mine, continuity exist between ETH shield and the 0V of the DC inlet of the power plug) and so not to the local earth, is in this case still needed the 'straight through’ Ethernet RJ45 coupler?
Grazie, Maurizio
Ciao Maurizio, my Synology (with an in-line SMPS) has 0vDC connected directly to E, its a straight thru & practically zero ohms.
N is set above E with capacitive coupling with L&N collectively producing 12vDC.
I am not saying all NAS are so connected, but it is for sure worth double checking. If you are convinced your checks indicate 0v is not connected to earth, a UTP coupler is not required.
I am not saying all NAS are so connected, but it is for sure worth double checking. If you are convinced your checks indicate 0v is not connected to earth, a UTP coupler is not required.
Thank you very much Mike-B,
I'm sure because the main plug have only 2 pins (L&N), there is not a pin for local earth.
I'm sure because the main plug have only 2 pins (L&N), there is not a pin for local earth.
Aha - very high tech diagnosis
This type of power supply are very common here.
Dear Huge &C., thanks a lot.
Comes by me 2 minor questions (apologise me):
- are ferrites anyway useful when we use shielded cable, a picture shows STP cable with it?
- very often NAS comes with a class II power supply, in which usually there is not main ground connection and where shielded plugs are simply routed to the global 0V (I've checked with mine, continuity exist between ETH shield and the 0V of the DC inlet of the power plug) and so not to the local earth, is in this case still needed the 'straight through’ Ethernet RJ45 coupler?
Grazie, Maurizio
Ciao Maurizio
You need to have only one connection from each shielded section to the Earth of the power supply.
If your NAS,isn't connected to earth then you don't need a coupler in it's Ethernet cable.
If Switch and/or Router do not connect to earth, and you have an UTP cable to your computer (or the router doesn't connect the shields together) then you don't need a coupler in the computer's Ethernet cable.
Ferrites are more important on UTP, but they can still have quite a big effect even with STP, particularly on the cable connected directly to the streamer.
Thank you Huge, you are very kindly to clarify these points for me.