Asset uPnP Streaming - A Difficulty...

I use Assetupnp as main UPNP software and never happened something like this. Assetupnp can't find what doesn't exist on your HDD so the only possible guess is that you left your files in the dustbin of your Mac and this directory is included in the ones that Asset has to search for music: tell Asset to look only in the folders where you have the "good" files.

Thanks for the reply. I did empty the recycling bin & I've tried searching the hard drive for the errant files but they seem to be buried away somewhere in the disks. I'll try your suggestion of just selecting the iTunes music folder, rather than the computer itself.

Glad to help: tell me if it works !

hmm interesting.

I've enabled the "recycle bin" in my Synology.  It moves any albums (files) that I delete into there where I need to manually delete again to zap them. 

Problem is I read somewhere that these deleted files disappear but remain as unseen in the audio folder.  

You post has prompted me to go research this.

Any wise head know if/how this might be ???  

Enjoy the Mu-so

I'm enjoying the muso very much, but still no luck getting rid of the duplicate deleted music files in my HD music folder. Not all are corrupted, some play fine but then it's impossible to play through an album because it'll play all the duplicate tracks.

oh well... Perhaps I should try a different uPnP program? Got to be Mac of course.

Yes, the files are not physically moved when adding to Recycle/Trash bin. A modification is made to the file header to flag the file as deleted. But the space the file sits in is marked as allocated and will not be written over. It sounds like Asset may not be reading the flag correctly.

When the file is permanently deleted, it still doesn't move, but the header is usually stripped out and the space the file sits in is marked as unallocated and will / may be written over at some time in the future.

Probable work around with Asset, for the future, would be to move files to be deleted (but held in a Recycle/Trash bin) into another folder, e.g. JunkYard, and delete them from there.

In TonyM's case, now that Asset has already "seen" the files, it has stored their location in its database. You may have to flush that database, and have it re-catalogue your music collection. It should not locate the files this second time around if you have "emptied the trash".

Alternative server for Mac would be MinimServer. 

I've done a bit of digging and apparently I can purge the previously deleted files from the hard drive using the Mac Dick Utility, selecting the offending hard drive, and selecting 'erase free space' I'll try this tomorrow.

Not sure if this will help you or not

I have found Asset very up and down on my UQ2 and Minim to be faster and rock solid.  I'm a Windows user so can't speak about Apple

Hi Tony,  what you really need is a "Purge" on tour HDD. This is not a problem in Assett. Try the utility you suggested yourself.

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Will do Iver.

PS, my previous post should read "Disk" and NOT "Dick"....

Good luck Tony. Let us know the results. Pretty sure your issue can be solved !

I left the computer to purge the errant files last night, reset Asset to rescan the files again. And it's still found the lousy ones! I guess they're till catalogued somewhere?

So I thought I'd try installing Minimserver. But that won't run because it reports "this version is for 32-bit only", & my Mac's 32-bit...

Someone obviously doesn't like me using uPnP, not sure I can be bothered to mess around any more.

You could post a question on the Asset forum, Mr Spoon seems pretty helpful

It must be something daft that is causing this, Asset is a very solid UPNP server, at least on Windows and Raspberry PI it is.

Richard

This appears to be on the surface an iTunes problem, rather than an Asset one IMHO, which may allow you to use any of the third-party library cleanup tools (although you mentioned a 32-bit Mac, which takes us back to the verse, i.e., possibly an older, buggier iTunesMusicLibrary.xml file).

Unless you have extensive playlists, I would seriously consider the idea of moving your iTunes library to a different location, deleting iTunesMusicLibrary.xml, then re-scan.

Above a certain library size, in my experience, iTunes generally loses its lunch. These extra files came from somewhere, and it's probably a good idea to do a bit of housekeeping if you find the exact same problem after a re-scan. Good luck!

Thanks Gary, I'll give that a try. David, it's nothing to do with iTunes. The music files are stored on an exterior hard drive & are mostly AIFF with a smattering of ALACs. They'll play with any music software.

Why would it not, if you're using iTunes Remote? From where do you believe that the metadata is coming? (It has to come from the iTunes Media library for the Remote app, and Home Sharing, to see it.)

Asset UPnP ignores the iTunes library, scanning it directly, but your iTunes library is still out of date - if you are managing the library through iTunes, you're probably not seeing the duplicates, which is part of the problem.

You will either need to choose to manually manage the library (labor-intensive), use a third-party app to do so (e.g., dBpoweramp for OS X), or insure that iTunes updates and re-scans the library and catches any duplicates (which would then allow you to use an off-the-shelf, iTunes-oriented de-duplicator to sort out your "extra" files).

Does that make sense?

Yes, you're right that they play with anything–I'm guessing that you ripped most of these via iTunes originally, correct?

Tony, if the offending files are on an external hard drive, how it it connected? If it's not already, can you connect it to your Mac by USB? Then make sure the Mac can see it and try 'Secure empty trash.' You probably tried this ages ago and moved on, in which case, just ignore me!

Just to clarify; my iTunes library works just fine, on both my main system and on the muso. No sign of duplicate corrupted files on either device, or in my music library. Even Gary's Tinker Tool program (which is an excellent bit of kit!) doesn't show them.

The problem is trying to access these files using the muso app. to play uPnP. iTunes is not running. the iTunes Remote is not running. The Asset software shows these corrupted files. I can only assume the Asset is holding an index of the music it originally found before I ran  "erase free space".

Hi Chris, yep, done all that but unfortunately the files still remain. The only options left to me appear to be to run the erase free space program again but at a higher setting, and somehow to purge the Asset program (I've run the rescan function) 

Tony

A couple of thoughts.

Try creating a directory somewhere else, stick an album into the directory and then repoint Asset to that directory and initiate a full scan.   Then see if it just finds the album only in that directory, which is what you would expect.  If it does then point it back to the main music store, rescan and see if all is well.  If the files reappear then you know that Asset is not the problem and you still have rogue files that Asset is finding.

If the problem is Asset (i.e you still see all the rogue albums when pointed at the small directory) then you could try deleting (or more safely renaming!) the umedialibrary folder and restart Asset.  My understanding from the Asset forum is that the directory can be delete if you want to clear down the database/settings. http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/sh...-Settings-to-Default

Richard

Makes me glad I work on a PC, I just plugged it in and it all worked first time !

Hi Richard, thanks for your help. I copied a few albums into another folder on the HD, rescanned with Asset, & it found them intact without duplicates.

Tomorrow I'll unistall Asset & reinstall it.

Makes me glad I bought a Unitiserve, just plugged it in and it all worked first time! Well, almost!

I've been b*ggering around with this uPnP thing a bit more, but TBH I'm not sure I can be bothered with it.

So far, I've managed to locate and remove duplicates from my HD music storage, via "Easyduplicate Finder" which works well. I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling the Asset uPnP software, tried the Minimserver software, but all to no avail. I've done the usual empty/purge/uninstall/reinstall...

The Mu-so now won't find either uPnP programs, I just get the spinning thing for ages, which I guess gets fed up after a while & that doesn't show either. Connected via ethernet.

I'm only bothering with this because it should work, and I'm rather tenacious with such things - why doesn't it work? Spotify? Perfect. Internet radio? Works a treat. iTunes via Airplay? Great!

Any further ideas folks?

Tony - I am not sure buggering around with UPnP servers will help here - it sounds like your media files are corrupted some how.

Cant you copy your valid media files into a nice clean directory and just point your UPnP server to that??

Sort out the media first - then put your UPnP server on..... your poor little UPnP server hasn't got a hope in hell if your media is scrambled.. also I recommend if you can't see what is going on use a Naim Unitiserve - it should just work - and if not you will have support.

Not being able to find your UPnP servers means your home LAN is not doing its stuff properly or more likely given airplay is working, the UPnP servers are not running properly - best not run them on consumer NASs unless you know what you are doing is what I say - if something is not right - its hard to diagnose on your NASs

Simon