NDS and shares

Can you see the missing files viewing the NAS from your computer ???

If yes,  then OK, they are in there & it must be a NAS config issue

If no, & you can only see the "Music" files,  then I suspect they got left in the HDX

Next question is what make/model is the NAS,  then the forum experts on that NAS need to come in to help.

In my Synology NAS I don't have divided music sections as you do,  but I can do so.   

Yes, I can see all the files from my computer

The NAS is an Audiodata Musicserver 1 running Windows 7

I thought about transferring the ripped CDs into the share music, but not sure if this is wise

OK great,  so nothing is lost  

..... but not so sure we have so many Audiodata Musikserver experts on the forum

When you say the NDS does not see it,  are you using the Naim (Apple) app ?  ..... or if not how are you controlling the NDS play ?? 

Is your PC running Windows-7 ??   If yes,  then using Windows Explorer, I would copy one album file from HDX Music to Music as a test,  then once you know its seen by the PC & also seen by the NDS/NAS ? & the real test - does it play ?. If yes that is your answer, copy all the HDXMusic into Music.

Then maybe if you do want to keep the rips & downloads separate, split the Music main folder into two main sub folders CD Rip & Download

Finally I said to copy files - once that is done & everything is working, then it is safe to delete the other share & get the HDD space back

You do not say what format your music is in.

Is it possible that your HDX CD rips are WAV files while your downloaded files are FLAC files with embedded metadata/tagging?  WAV files do not have embedded metadata/tagging and it could be that whatever server you are running (on your NAS?) cannot read the WAV files so they are not seen by your NDS.

I had a similar issue with my UnitiServe WAV files - I found it easier to convert them to FLAC before switching to an NDS and getting rid of the US.

Just a thought.

I suspect Glynn is right. Did you convert the HDX WAV rips to FLAC? If not, and they are now on the server, the NDS probably can't see them. I know the HDX can do the conversion, but there must be other programs too.

If that is the problem,  it must me dependent on the UPnP media server not able to read them.

My NDX with Synology UPnP can see & play the few .flac's as well as the majority .wav & also the pop junk on .mp3 that I are all on the one share without any trouble.     

I suspect that your issue is that your NASs UPnP server is not looking at both shared folders for music - only the "Music" folder (probably set as default).

Phil

The NDS (and any other UPnP client) doesn't 'see' files and folder on a network at all - it looks for UPnP servers.

It's the UPnP server that sees and indexes files and folders so I think that it's teh UPnP server not set to index the HDX Rips folder - of course what the UPnP server will make of WAV files is a different question.

Phil

Thanks for all the help. As Mike-B sugested I copied one album in Music, now the NDS can see it but says unknown album. It seems I will have to convert all the WAV to Flac. 

I will look into the UPnP-Server, which is Asset V4.3 to see if I can index the HDX Rips folder.

Is it really true NDS can not read the WAV files from the HDX?

The NDS can only 'talk' to UPnP servers - it doesn't read or index files from a network at all ... it's the UPnP server that needs to be able to read the HDX CD rips and Asset will only do that as file and folder browsing.

Cheers

Phil

Ok I understand this, but is there a specifig UPnP-Server which can read the HDX rips?

You really don't have to do that,  but if you want to OK

The problem is the album needs to have it tag edited,  & although .wav is not so good for tagging as is .flac, its very suitable for simple basic tags.   I use dBpoweramp for both ripping & tag editing (if needed) & it does all I need & I have 500+ .wav albums.  

2nd possible thing to try,  might not change anything but worth a try - reboot the NAS.  

Has the HDX actually gone? The Naim server software can handle the way the WAV rips are done, where the metadata is stored alongside the music files. This is the reason I keep all my UnitiServe rips in FLAC, and transcode on playback, just in case the Serve conks out.

I've not heard of another upnp server that can handle Naim rips. If the HDX went to a dealer, can you borrow it back to do the conversion. It will be a lot quicker than re tagging the whole collection.

Phil will probably correct all this in a minute!

...an HDX or UnitiServe?

Phil

Ok, my bad, I wanted to ask for UPnP software

Asset & Minimserver are favourite UPnP servers with users on the forum

It really is better to ask Audiodata Musikserver what is best to use on their system. 

Their www says - they have two alternatives.

Asset UPnP & alternatively - or in addition - JRiver Media Center

But surely one or other of these is already installed 

Interestingly (see my previous NDS owners queries thread) it turns out my Netgear NAS is bundled not with Asset but a proprietary UPNP server called readyDLNA and it appears to pick up all details from my existing .wax HDX rips perfectly. Track order, artist, cover pics etc.

i may still convert to flac for capacity reasons, and also perhaps in case I changed the NAS and server prog in future,

That is interesting, as if the case that implies Naim are adding metadata into their WAV files as well as relying on their seperate proprietary database structure. I am fairly certain that was not the case a few years back when I was experimenting with an early Unitiserve.

Simon

PS I assume you mean WAV, and WAX is not some sort of legacy phonograph format 

.wav indeed!

I have Asset on my PC. That read the data on my HDX files fine too.

bruce

There is one other hope which is to manually add the metadata.

One can do it truly manually, meaning add track names manually to each track.  Would take a long time I suppose!

There are metadata editors that search online databases based on the actual music (waveforms) and match the files to known albums.  These can auto-populate the metadata fields.  I've never gotten one of these to work all that well, but maybe others have.

If the xml data can be exported in csv (comma separated value) format into a txt file and is in a uniform format e.g. each line contains say album,artist,track,title etc. data then you may be able to use mp3tag's Covert/Text file - Tag (Alt + 4) function to automate the tagging process assuming you go ahead with the conversion from wav to flac.