Spotify Connect Arrives for Naim Streamers

Posted by: Arthur Geraerts on 15 December 2014

Best christmas present ever. Updated my UQ2 and it works like a charm!

 

Thanks guys! Naim rocks!

Posted on: 18 December 2014 by Phil Harris
Originally Posted by Magnus Hultstrand:

Just discovered that my NDX is not compatible with this upgrade (2D..instead of 3D). Does anybody have a clue about how much it will cost to install the required hardware here in Europe? 

Hi,

 

You can update your unit to 4.1 but you just won't get Spotify Connect functionality...

 

Best Regards

 

Phil Harris

Posted on: 18 December 2014 by Phil Harris
Originally Posted by garyi:
Originally Posted by Stefan Vogt:

Hi there,

I've downloaded and installed the USB mini driver (as per naim instructions p. 2) on my MacBook Pro running OS 10.10, but in the Mac System Report no USB mini driver (USBtoUART bridge controller) is visible. I then checked the release notes, and they only go up to Mac OS 10.9 (see below)

 

Did anyone manage to run the naim installer from OS 10.10, please, and if so, how did you get the USBtoUART bridge controller, please?

Thanks,

Stefan

 

P.S.: given that the screen dumps in the naim instructions show OS 10.7. only, my hunch is that perhaps nobody has tried it with OS 10.10. as yet, and that the naim instructions would better discourage using 10.10.? Well, hopefully this outdated driver won't ruin my new Mac! 

 

FROM THE NAIM INSTRUCTIONS p 2:

To find most up to date drivers follow the below link: 

http://www.silabs.com/products...ridgeVCPDrivers.aspx 

 

AND THE RELEASE NOTES SAY:

This release includes the Macintosh OSX driver for the Intel and

PowerPC Platforms versions 10.4, 10.5, 10.6, 10.7, 10.8 and 10.9.

 

 

Please excuse my half understanding here but I believe 10.10 has introduced sandboxings for Kexts. Now I have no deep understanding of what this means, but I do know it put pay to some apps that needed to be upgraded.

 

Perhaps the driver for this needs to use a resource which is now sandboxed or some such?

 

 

 

Hi,

 

I've been using both Mavericks and Yosemite to run the Uniti updater without issues so it definitely will run on 10.9 and 10.10 ...

 

Cheers

 

Phil

Posted on: 18 December 2014 by Phil Harris
Originally Posted by Clive B:

Does anyone know which file I need to download from the website In order to update the NS01?

 

The NS01 doesn't seem to be listed, but there are files for HDX / HDX-SSD and another for UnitiServe / UnitiServe-SSD.

 

Thanks for any advice. 

 

Hi CliveB,

 

The Updaters for NS0x / HDX and Unitiserve are all the same ... so use the updaters for either HDX or UnitiServe.

 

Cheers

 

Phil

 

 

Posted on: 18 December 2014 by Alonso
Originally Posted by Phil Harris:

 

Hi,

 

I've been using both Mavericks and Yosemite to run the Uniti updater without issues so it definitely will run on 10.9 and 10.10 ...

 

Cheers

 

Phil

Same here. Did the same. both operating systems (Mavericks and Yosemite) - PTFE smooth installation (on ND5 XS) and running perfectly.

Posted on: 18 December 2014 by ragman

A Qobuz Integration is needed

Posted on: 18 December 2014 by Graeme MacArthur
Originally Posted by ragman:

A Qobuz Integration is needed

I asked Naim support about this a few weeks ago and they said that there were currently no plans for Qobuz integration. I must say that I can't blame them given the slight uncertainty regarding Qobuz's financial situation.

However, I am sick and tired of being dictated to regarding the add-on services I use. I'm not referring to Naim specifically here, although they are guilty amongst others. In Naim's case I have had to buy a Sonos Connect to plug in to my streamer to allow me to listen to Qobuz and Deezer rather than the preferred Spotify. I had a similar issue with my Panasonic TV which only offered AceTrax as a movie streaming service when I really wanted Netflix. So I had to buy an Apple TV to plug into my Panasonic. Shortly afterwards, AceTrax went belly-up and Panasonic started to integrate Netflix.

 

I am pleased with the upgrade and I think the Spotify integration has been well thought out and works well, although Spotify need to sort out either playlists on the iPad or the green speaker Connect button on the desktop application (which I believe is in beta).

 

My point is simply that I want to be able to choose my own add-on services and not have them dictated to me. Surely this is possible in this day and age? Sonos do it, more or less, so why can't the others?

 

Posted on: 18 December 2014 by Voltaire
Originally Posted by jukemark:

Have you activated the input via the app?

That's seems to be the problem. When I go to settings, inputs on the qute 2 there is not a Spotify option just the same inputs that were always there. 

 

Im guessing the update didn't work for some reason and I should try again..

 

Thanks.

Posted on: 18 December 2014 by Voltaire
Originally Posted by jukemark:

And it needs to be a hand held device...unless you download the beta version of Spotify

 

Got it , thank you. I will download the beta version now.

Posted on: 18 December 2014 by Voltaire
Originally Posted by AllenB:
Originally Posted by Voltaire:

Ok, so I followed the instructions carefully, eventually found a usb driver for my iMac and having installed the new software on my Qute 2 I got the big green tick that everything was ok. 

 

But nothing has changed  My Spotify app doesn't list my qute 2 as a connect device!

 

Any suggestions greatly appreciated. 

 

Switch the Spotify Input on (enable) for your Qute 2, it's in Settings on the Qute. You will then see the Spotify source on the Naim app (restart the app if necessary).

 

Thanks, this may be the problem, I don't see a Spotify source...

 

i already had had one of my inputs labelled as Spotify, this wouldn't upset the system would it?

Posted on: 18 December 2014 by Mohamed Amin
 
Brilliantly put and well said , Totally agree with you. it is a shame really that we the consumers have to beg the industry for the obvious!
 
Originally Posted by Graeme MacArthur:
Originally Posted by ragman:

A Qobuz Integration is needed

I asked Naim support about this a few weeks ago and they said that there were currently no plans for Qobuz integration. I must say that I can't blame them given the slight uncertainty regarding Qobuz's financial situation.

However, I am sick and tired of being dictated to regarding the add-on services I use. I'm not referring to Naim specifically here, although they are guilty amongst others. In Naim's case I have had to buy a Sonos Connect to plug in to my streamer to allow me to listen to Qobuz and Deezer rather than the preferred Spotify. I had a similar issue with my Panasonic TV which only offered AceTrax as a movie streaming service when I really wanted Netflix. So I had to buy an Apple TV to plug into my Panasonic. Shortly afterwards, AceTrax went belly-up and Panasonic started to integrate Netflix.

 

I am pleased with the upgrade and I think the Spotify integration has been well thought out and works well, although Spotify need to sort out either playlists on the iPad or the green speaker Connect button on the desktop application (which I believe is in beta).

 

My point is simply that I want to be able to choose my own add-on services and not have them dictated to me. Surely this is possible in this day and age? Sonos do it, more or less, so why can't the others?

 

 

Posted on: 18 December 2014 by Marky Mark
Originally Posted by Mohamed Amin:
 
Brilliantly put and well said , Totally agree with you. it is a shame really that we the consumers have to beg the industry for the obvious!
 
Originally Posted by Graeme MacArthur:
Originally Posted by ragman:

A Qobuz Integration is needed

I asked Naim support about this a few weeks ago and they said that there were currently no plans for Qobuz integration. I must say that I can't blame them given the slight uncertainty regarding Qobuz's financial situation.

However, I am sick and tired of being dictated to regarding the add-on services I use. I'm not referring to Naim specifically here, although they are guilty amongst others. In Naim's case I have had to buy a Sonos Connect to plug in to my streamer to allow me to listen to Qobuz and Deezer rather than the preferred Spotify. I had a similar issue with my Panasonic TV which only offered AceTrax as a movie streaming service when I really wanted Netflix. So I had to buy an Apple TV to plug into my Panasonic. Shortly afterwards, AceTrax went belly-up and Panasonic started to integrate Netflix.

 

I am pleased with the upgrade and I think the Spotify integration has been well thought out and works well, although Spotify need to sort out either playlists on the iPad or the green speaker Connect button on the desktop application (which I believe is in beta).

 

My point is simply that I want to be able to choose my own add-on services and not have them dictated to me. Surely this is possible in this day and age? Sonos do it, more or less, so why can't the others?

 

 

It is not that hard to integrate services. Some make streaming sound like landing a spacecraft on the moon.

 

In simple terms the streamer and the services it consumes must talk to one another. The streamer so designed that it can absorb the search and retrieval functionality of various services.

 

If you get a quote online from one of the comparison websites the priniciple is broadly the same. Hardly rocket science.

 

Sonos have devices released in 2006 that still get all the latest updates and can talk to a myriad of modern services and aggregate their results. These have relatively modest hardware which tells you that the answer is in the software.

 

The actual streaming of data itself is straightforward too. There are some, usually selling something, who will tell you complex black magic is involved and you need lots of expensive kit. In reality it is very, very low throughput. Trivial in computing terms on the user end unless they have no internet bandwidth.

 

I don't blame Naim for any lack of connectivity though. They are an audio company first and foremost whereas Sonos was really a software company first and foremost. I hope Naim stay that way. Personally I would be happy if they had not bothered with streamers at all. However, their management and shareholders clearly saw the demand and an opportunity so good luck to them.

Posted on: 18 December 2014 by GraemeH
TIDAL INN vogue I see from a recent emai. Lossless too.

Think I'll hold off Spotify for now.

G
Posted on: 18 December 2014 by DavidDever
Originally Posted by Marky Mark:
 

 

It is not that hard to integrate services. Some make streaming sound like landing a spacecraft on the moon.

 

In simple terms the streamer and the services it consumes must talk to one another. The streamer so designed that it can absorb the search and retrieval functionality of various services.

 

If you get a quote online from one of the comparison websites the priniciple is broadly the same. Hardly rocket science.

 

Sonos have devices released in 2006 that still get all the latest updates and can talk to a myriad of modern services and aggregate their results. These have relatively modest hardware which tells you that the answer is in the software.

 

The actual streaming of data itself is straightforward too. There are some, usually selling something, who will tell you complex black magic is involved and you need lots of expensive kit. In reality it is very, very low throughput. Trivial in computing terms on the user end unless they have no internet bandwidth.

 

I don't blame Naim for any lack of connectivity though. They are an audio company first and foremost whereas Sonos was really a software company first and foremost. I hope Naim stay that way. Personally I would be happy if they had not bothered with streamers at all. However, their management and shareholders clearly saw the demand and an opportunity so good luck to them.

With all due respect, unless your primary business is third-party software integration, it is not the cakewalk you purport it to be, whether it be streaming media APIs, cloud storage, or device control. Even Sonos themselves have experienced delays in integrating third-party streaming services due to glaring technical obstacles, incomplete documentation, or simply shifty APIs.

 

The world does not consist solely of 120-character APIs for one's information consumption.

Posted on: 18 December 2014 by Mohamed Amin

Now Naim! look what Linn has announced

LINN DS NOW INTEGRATES WITH TIDAL  

Naim now has to play catch up 

 

Posted on: 18 December 2014 by GraemeH
Originally Posted by GraemeH:
TIDAL INN vogue I see from a recent emai. Lossless too.

Think I'll hold off Spotify for now.

G

I was too subtle obviously...

 

G

Posted on: 18 December 2014 by Mohamed Amin
 
Oops .. I guess I didn't read that before posting!
 
 
Originally Posted by GraemeH:
Originally Posted by GraemeH:
TIDAL INN vogue I see from a recent emai. Lossless too.

Think I'll hold off Spotify for now.

G

I was too subtle obviously...

 

G

 

Posted on: 18 December 2014 by badlyread

I have a simple (yet brilliant) system consisting of UQ2 and Guru Juniors (there are others bits attached as well). I downloaded the software upgrade to Spotify enable the UQ2 on Tuesday and took advantage of 3 months of Spotify Premium for £10 (previously I had the free service and was running it through my headless Mac Mini via screen sharing on my iMac). I have also downloaded the Spotify Beta so I can control the music just from the iMac only (no iPad/iPhone required). Life has just become a lot simpler. Thank you Naim.

 

I still listen to Radio Paradise to hear new and missed old music, I can then explore an album on Spotify and then purchase if I think it is worth it. Serious listening comes from my ripped collection or hi-res downloads. Life seems to be getting in the way of serious listening these days so Spotify is a brilliant solution.

 

Currently listening to Gregory Alan Isakov - That Sea, The Gambler

Posted on: 18 December 2014 by D Churchill

Would it be possible for the last fm integration with spotify to work on the streamer ?

The scrobbling is something I find useful on Sonos and other services.

Posted on: 18 December 2014 by Marky Mark
Originally Posted by DavidDever:
Originally Posted by Marky Mark:
 

 

It is not that hard to integrate services. Some make streaming sound like landing a spacecraft on the moon.

 

In simple terms the streamer and the services it consumes must talk to one another. The streamer so designed that it can absorb the search and retrieval functionality of various services.

 

If you get a quote online from one of the comparison websites the priniciple is broadly the same. Hardly rocket science.

 

Sonos have devices released in 2006 that still get all the latest updates and can talk to a myriad of modern services and aggregate their results. These have relatively modest hardware which tells you that the answer is in the software.

 

The actual streaming of data itself is straightforward too. There are some, usually selling something, who will tell you complex black magic is involved and you need lots of expensive kit. In reality it is very, very low throughput. Trivial in computing terms on the user end unless they have no internet bandwidth.

 

I don't blame Naim for any lack of connectivity though. They are an audio company first and foremost whereas Sonos was really a software company first and foremost. I hope Naim stay that way. Personally I would be happy if they had not bothered with streamers at all. However, their management and shareholders clearly saw the demand and an opportunity so good luck to them.

With all due respect, unless your primary business is third-party software integration, it is not the cakewalk you purport it to be, whether it be streaming media APIs, cloud storage, or device control. Even Sonos themselves have experienced delays in integrating third-party streaming services due to glaring technical obstacles, incomplete documentation, or simply shifty APIs.

 

The world does not consist solely of 120-character APIs for one's information consumption.

With equal respect, I disagree.

 

In its essence we're talking about search functionality and the ability to download a file. We all do that almost every day in some shape or form.

 

The music files, even lossless, are very small. All you have to do is download it quicker than the track is playing to allow for buffering. No great achievement.

An application which provides for a text search and returns results with some thumbnail pictures. Nothing to get excited about. Yes it takes effort to make it pretty but the essence of it is basic.

 

I agree  some services have quirks in their search or how they return results but this is noise round the edges rather than a paradigm shift. Sonos have shown this for many years as their original hardware still works. If it was so difficult the nearly 10 year old CPUs etc in some of their original units would be unable to cope.

 

I believe Naim may have taken steps to refresh their original design and can now integrate new services with it more easily. If this is correct then I expect it needed to be done in order to reset the baseline. Good luck to them.

Posted on: 19 December 2014 by Burgy100

I have read a number of issues with Spotify 'dropping out' whilst playing and up until last night I have had no issues whatsoever. I have a 50mb broadband speed from virgin that most of the time has been reliable!! so for for what its worth I found my drops where being caused by my iPad and my iPhone fighting against each other, I had Spotify running on both of them and connected to my network. I turned the iPhone off and no dropouts as soon as I turned it back on it started up, Spotify would stop streaming and then play a bit and then stop.

 

I will try and emulate this again tonight!

Posted on: 19 December 2014 by solwisesteve
Originally Posted by Burgy100:

I have read a number of issues with Spotify 'dropping out' whilst playing and up until last night I have had no issues whatsoever. I have a 50mb broadband speed from virgin that most of the time has been reliable!! so for for what its worth I found my drops where being caused by my iPad and my iPhone fighting against each other, I had Spotify running on both of them and connected to my network. I turned the iPhone off and no dropouts as soon as I turned it back on it started up, Spotify would stop streaming and then play a bit and then stop.

 

I will try and emulate this again tonight!

At first I also wondered if it was caused by running Spotify on more than one machine (despite spotify saying it can cope with this). Anyway I specifically went to both my PCs that were running and logged off the spotify account and even closed the login window. As per Naim advice I also went into the input settings and dropped the quality to 96K... still cutting out. The ISP is supposed to be looking into a broadband issue but I'm not holding my breath! :-(

Posted on: 19 December 2014 by DavidDever
With respect to Sonos' hardware, keep in mind the upper sample-rate limit, as well as the fact that the hardware has changed over the last ten years (and is about to change again).
 
My point regarding service integration stands, although I would agree that it (in theory) should be easy, provided that you have the internal resources to dedicate to it. In practice, even projects such as Ickstream remain challenged by a lack of resources. One has to choose carefully to support only those services which make commercial sense over the span of the product's life.
 
Originally Posted by Marky Mark:
The music files, even lossless, are very small. All you have to do is download it quicker than the track is playing to allow for buffering. No great achievement.

An application which provides for a text search and returns results with some thumbnail pictures. Nothing to get excited about. Yes it takes effort to make it pretty but the essence of it is basic.

 

I agree  some services have quirks in their search or how they return results but this is noise round the edges rather than a paradigm shift. Sonos have shown this for many years as their original hardware still works. If it was so difficult the nearly 10 year old CPUs etc in some of their original units would be unable to cope.

 

I believe Naim may have taken steps to refresh their original design and can now integrate new services with it more easily. If this is correct then I expect it needed to be done in order to reset the baseline. Good luck to them.

Posted on: 19 December 2014 by Bart
Originally Posted by Steve w:

Question for Simon...looking for some advice Simon...I would like to have access to Spotify on our Uniti,unfortunately it's an early unit...my question is this can I stream to an Apple Airport Express from the I pad and then connect via optical to the Uniti WITHOUT the Airport Express being hard wired to our network?

cant seem to get a straight answer from Apple.

my thought is the airport will connect to our wireless network wirelessly ( does it even need to do this?)

you may gather the computing side of things is not my strong point!

Another option is a bluetooth connection.  You can buy a bluetooth music receiver (such as the Rocketfish) for $35 and may have better performance with it than with a wifi solution.

Posted on: 19 December 2014 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Most Bluetooth audio codecs are  lossy - and so I would only use Bluetooth as a last resort.

 

Simon

Posted on: 19 December 2014 by Voltaire
Originally Posted by ragman:

A Qobuz Integration is needed

 

Even more exciting IMHO is that Audinirvana are currently working on Qubuz integration for their software.