Spotify

Posted by: Big Bill on 29 December 2014

I have just signed up to this 3 months for 99p gig that Spotify are currently offering, so a few of my thoughts are here.  Lets see if they change during the 90 days.

 

a)  NAIM should write a little missive on how Spotify is integrated into their kit.  I also have a Western Dig. Live TV Hub, which has an app for Spotify, you don't run on an iPad or similar and it is very easy to drive.

I also found that when I kicked off some "Tonto's Expading Headband" it came out of my iPad - not my UnitiLite.  Now Apple can make whatever claims they like about the speakers but they sound rubbish.  A bit like their promises to the workers in the 3rd World who make their products.

OK I did find how to feed it into my NAIM, but as a Spotify virgin this was by no means obvious.

ps NAIM if you have written something and I missed it then I apologise.

 

b) Sound quality.  From my experience with iRadio I believe that mp3 needs to be at 320k and that is what you get from Spotify once you sign up.  But I have to say that after extended listening then 320k is beginning to cause me concerns, I am just not convinced it is good enough!  I should add that this is without playing any classical through it and I expect that will make matters worse.

 

I would appreciate your comments.

Posted on: 31 December 2014 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Songstream, most rooms have reflections from the interactions of the speakers in the room they are functioning within - with the sound reflecting off the walls, ceiling, floors and furniture. There can also be standing waves or resonances setup in corners and across wall boundaries, large fireplaces etc. - i.e. boominess.

 

All this can add to a pretty confused picture of certain frequencies adding and subtracting from each other - which can rob the audio of bass, treble, mids, detail etc.

 

Now many of us work around this by reducing these affects to an acceptable level by choice of speaker in our room and careful consideration of speaker and  listening chair placement - and the use of soft furnishings at certain key places. However this is not always practical, desirable or sufficiently effective.

 

The in room correction therefore learns how the room is distorting the sound and  processes the sounds so that it should be ideally neutral in your listening position with all the reflections and issues compensated out - think of it as a three dimensional tone control.

 

Until recently the cost of doing this in the consumer environment would have made it out of reach to most. However technology has improved in as far as the devices to do the correction are a lot cheaper and more accurate than they have been, therefore it has become more accessible. Additionally there has been more development in this space more generally.

 

However there are no free lunches - and modifying the sound does cause or can cause other issues - although there is a constant development in this field more generally (not specific to hifi)  so results would appear to be  improving  -  remember we hear timing as well as frequency. - but if the room has challenging acoustics it can be an attractive way forward - its also fair to say the technique can spruce up the sound to make it sound more appealing, again a bit like a three dimensional loudness button - again nothing wrong with this - but its horses for courses I guess and what you want from your audio equipment - and some prefer a sweetened sound.

 

Simon

 

Posted on: 31 December 2014 by tonym

I've been using various forms of room correction software with my 7.1 channel surround sound system, which given the considerable extra complexity of integrating multichannel audio is a distinct advantage; it's nigh-on impossible to achieve the same results by repositioning speakers or furnishiings in a normal domestic environment, but up until my experience with the Amarra software I was never convinced by its use for stereo (although it seemed pretty clear to me that this technology was the future for hi-fi)

 

I've got two systems, one at our main home and another in our second residence, the latter being a completely different system and room. I've set up Amarra iRC in both rooms but in the second system the effectiveness is rather less.

 

Rather than trying to convince the sceptical by prattling on about it on this forum, I suggest they give it a try (the software IIRC is available on a trial basis) & see if it works for them. Rather than a "sweeter" (?) sound it creates a more accurate one to my old ears.

Posted on: 31 December 2014 by SongStream

Simon, and Tony, thanks very much for taking the time to reply on the room correction stuff.  All very interesting.  I've had quite recent experience of what turned out to be a speaker positioning disaster (somebody moved them ;-) ), and the cancellation problems it can bring.  Still can't believe how long it took me to identify the problem, but got there in the end.  I find my own main system has a sweet spot in terms of volume where it, and the room, and me, seem to be in harmony.  Except when playing the track "Heart of Mine" from the album New York City.  Even with the volume a couple of notches below my usual serious listening level, the bass is ferocious on this track and makes the doors and windows rattle, and I'm not sure whether it's the room-boom, or what causes it on the specific track, but it's pretty boomy.  Still love it though.

 

 

Posted on: 31 December 2014 by Solid Air
Originally Posted by PG:
Welcome to the exclusive NAC-N 172XS club, often overlooked by many and a keeper for me. I use it with a NAP200 and Spendor A5s and love how it all sounds. Enjoy. Originally Posted by Solid Air:

Well, I took the plunge and upgraded to a NAC-N 172XS.  Ex-dem at a good price, and I have to say it's an improvement on the excellent Unitiqute. It's just clearer and more transparent. Very happy. Currently listening to the Sun Kil Moon album, and it sounds fantastic.

 

I guess some time I'll change the NAP100 too, but that's for another day. 

 

Anyway, I also did the software upgrade (again) and am now using Spotify. For me, it's a nice way to try out new music or play odd things I don't want to own, but no more. However, for the rest of the family it's a revelation, and they love it - it's been on all day! So overall, it's a big plus having Spotify, but for me personally, lossless would be the transformation.

 

 

Thanks PG - I'm very impressed by the 172 so far. I realise it's not a typical upgrade path, so not commonplace, but I really like the sound. It feels very right and plays all kinds of music equally well. I loved the Qute but this is a real step up. 

 

I already had a NAP100 so could make this change relatively cost effectively (buying ex dem and will sell the Qute) and then at some future point go to a NAP155xs or 200 and sell the 100. So a nice, staged upgrade path centred on the 172. Perfect. 

 

Posted on: 01 January 2015 by PG
Originally Posted by Solid Air:
Originally Posted by PG:
Welcome to the exclusive NAC-N 172XS club, often overlooked by many and a keeper for me. I use it with a NAP200 and Spendor A5s and love how it all sounds. Enjoy. Originally Posted by Solid Air:

Well, I took the plunge and upgraded to a NAC-N 172XS.  Ex-dem at a good price, and I have to say it's an improvement on the excellent Unitiqute. It's just clearer and more transparent. Very happy. Currently listening to the Sun Kil Moon album, and it sounds fantastic.

 

I guess some time I'll change the NAP100 too, but that's for another day. 

 

Anyway, I also did the software upgrade (again) and am now using Spotify. For me, it's a nice way to try out new music or play odd things I don't want to own, but no more. However, for the rest of the family it's a revelation, and they love it - it's been on all day! So overall, it's a big plus having Spotify, but for me personally, lossless would be the transformation.

 

 

Thanks PG - I'm very impressed by the 172 so far. I realise it's not a typical upgrade path, so not commonplace, but I really like the sound. It feels very right and plays all kinds of music equally well. I loved the Qute but this is a real step up. 

 

I already had a NAP100 so could make this change relatively cost effectively (buying ex dem and will sell the Qute) and then at some future point go to a NAP155xs or 200 and sell the 100. So a nice, staged upgrade path centred on the 172. Perfect. 

 

I went from a Qute to 172 and had the 155XS, I then pxd to a 200 and for me that's a great place to be.

Posted on: 05 January 2015 by Bert

Yes PG,

welcome to the 172 club. I'm a very happy user for two years now, and love its convenience and sound quality. The combination with NAP250 is perfect to my ears.

 

Enjoy and happy New Year!