Streaming can be perfect

Posted by: CP62 on 17 January 2015

Well English is not my mother tongue but I get a little bit mad if I hear that people say that Naim streaming is not good. My Naim SuperUniti is perfect and the sound what comes from this beautifully beast is velvet to my ears. I am very happy with Naim equipment for more than 15 years. When I bought the SuperUniti the dealers says to me please hard wire. I was stubborn and did it via WIFI.

When the new app came problems came. I talked with importer from Holland and with Steve and Phil. changed Router To Netgear R 7000 Nighthawk and Apple airport express and even 24/192 streams now perfect.

If you want perfect hardwire It. You want Wi-Fi go my way. But please do not attack Naim because your Wi-Fi does not work. WIFI is can be very difficult to work and all situations are different.

And yes it toke Naim a long time to fix the problems with new app but there is always help from your dealer and the people from Naim.

Posted on: 17 January 2015 by Steve J

Pleased it works for you.

Posted on: 17 January 2015 by Huge

Originally Posted by Steve J:

Pleased it works for you.

Is that why it's called "Universal Plug and Pray"?

Posted on: 17 January 2015 by Woodsman

Hmmm.......It's perfect for you. You mean?

Posted on: 17 January 2015 by hafler3o

Originally Posted by CP62:

but I get a little bit mad if I hear that people say that Naim streaming is not good. My Naim SuperUniti is perfect and the sound what comes from this beautifully beast is velvet to my ears... there is always help from your dealer and the people from Naim.

I wholeheartedly agree!

Posted on: 17 January 2015 by Bluetorric

Originally Posted by Woodsman:

Hmmm.......It's perfect for you. You mean?

You too, if you take the advise give.

Go on, get yourself a switch you know you want too..........

Posted on: 17 January 2015 by DavidDever

Originally Posted by Woodsman:

Hmmm.......It's perfect for you. You mean?

Any manufacturer's UPnP streaming equipment can be made to not work quite easily, within a testing environment - it's a term called fault injection, say, of blocking broadcast packets or deliberately blocking specific services on the network that might be used to discover and/or control other devices. It's used by many manufacturers to test error conditions generated within their servers, control point applications, and player / renderer devices.

There is always the concept of a direct asynchronous connection over USB (say, to a DAC-V1), if the notion of network troubleshooting exceeds your comfort level - but clearly the concept works, can work for many, and can be made to work with sufficient troubleshooting.

Posted on: 17 January 2015 by Huge

Originally Posted by Wat:

I didn't have to rewire the house to use my fridge or vacuum cleaner. Playing music should be an easy pleasurable experience: not a challenge.

So if UPnP does not live up to its name then perhaps it is time for something better

Or something proprietary like Apple?

Today, digital music is like electricity supply before 1926, lots of different standards.

Before the Electricity Supply Act took effect, if you plugged a vacuum cleaner in and it was designed for different area, it may simply not work or it may instead kill you! Fortunately incompatible music network components are rarely, if ever, fatal.

Posted on: 17 January 2015 by GregW

Originally Posted by CP62:

And yes it toke Naim a long time to fix the problems with new app but there is always help from your dealer and the people from Naim.

John Lewis is an excellent department store, but I think it's highly unlikely they are in a position to offer the kind of support you describe. Apple Geniuses are likely to be more tech savvy than your average John Lewis bod, but they only support Apple hardware/software i.e. they won't help you set up a UPnP server for your shiney new Mu-so.

Posted on: 17 January 2015 by Bananahead

My Naim streaming solution is perfect as well.

Posted on: 18 January 2015 by nudgerwilliams

I'm not going as far as perfect, but once I got a proper network installed it has worked very, very well.

Posted on: 18 January 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Yes I agree, it's definitely not perfect, but with a half descent home LAN that supports ethernet and it's associated basic protocols correctly the Naim applications usually work well.

You are not going to build your house on a sand bank are you?

Simon

Posted on: 18 January 2015 by dayjay

@Huge, I'm not do sure, when I've had the misfortune of hearing the Smiths it's been a close run thing

Posted on: 18 January 2015 by Adam Meredith

Originally Posted by Wat:

I didn't have to rewire the house to use my fridge or vacuum cleaner.

You might have had to - if you had only one socket and that was in the loft.

Posted on: 18 January 2015 by Bananahead

Originally Posted by Adam Meredith:

Originally Posted by Wat:

I didn't have to rewire the house to use my fridge or vacuum cleaner.

You might have had to - if you had only one socket and that was in the loft.

It's a good point.

The fact that your house is already wired for electricity but not Ethernet is hardly Naim's fault.

Me, I have a house with central vacuuming. I just plug the hose into one of the four sockets with the main sucky thing in the cellar.

Posted on: 18 January 2015 by Bert Schurink

Streaming is perhaps not 100% perfect, mostly related to the Naim APP. But overall it has been for me so far a far superior way of listening to music. This way of going through your collection at such a high quality is unsurpassed. Obviously one needs to make sure that the basics are ready, and not rely to much on the uncertain factors as internet availability. So I am not into webradio etc, in which a stable solution is very close besides the one or the other Naim APP topic.

Posted on: 18 January 2015 by hungryhalibut

Originally Posted by dayjay:

@Huge, I'm not do sure, when I've had the misfortune of hearing the Smiths it's been a close run thing

Silly boy....

Posted on: 18 January 2015 by Huge

Originally Posted by Wat:

> Or something proprietary like Apple?

That is one approach - if you buy from one manufacturer then its products usually work together, but not an approach I would advocate.

Nor I

I know I'm getting on a bit, Huge, but you have me on your electrical analogy. I wasn't around in 1926 so hadn't appreciated this problem. What was it like when you were a lad?

Dangerous round pin plugs and sockets

Why can't a music player just connect to a network share and play them from there? It works fine with a Mac and Linux player (no doubt a Windows device too, but don't have one to try). So why not with a UQ and other Naim players? Why UPnP? Everybody with a NAS knows how to connect to a network share or they couldn't use their NAS. With a few GB of RAM you could cache a current playlist and eliminate the network from the active replay chain (memory playback). [Is this not the HDX SSD principle?].

I believe you already know the answer to this...

Multiple network share protocols in use, some of them proprietary, all of them needing different drivers to access them, needing different security servers to mediate that access and complex conditional programming to browse the resources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_resource

The end game is a system that just works for all consumers - still a way to go methinks.

Yes, agreed: no contest.