BBC radio streams

Posted by: Trevor Wilson on 14 February 2015

hi all

 

As many of you are aware the BBC recently switched off their WMA and AAC streams in favour of HLS formats (plus a "legacy" Shoutcast mp3 stream available but at lower bit rate).

 

Naim products should now all link to this "legacy" mp3 streams - however - please be aware that the BBC themselves have admitted that the Shoutcast stream isn’t very stable at present. Furthermore, if you have a BBC station as a preset you will need to re-navigate to the stream in the listing and re-save the stream/preset (its ok to overwrite an existing preset)

 

Naim were informed in September that the WMA streams would be leaving us, but the communication indicated that AAC would continue. The communication (and test streams that we tried using a development variant of Naim Choice) all indicated that things would be fine and we had sat back thinking we were ahead of the curve. Sadly as the switch over occurred, the aac streams have been embedded within the m3u8 container that we cannot currently decode. 

 

Rest assured that as soon as we realized what had occurred we a) talked to the BBC to formally request that aac was re-instated, b) started work on understanding what HLS/DASH would need in order to be available on our products. 

 

The BBC has informed me that the previously available AAC stream cannot be re-instated, and so, Naim and many other UK (and non UK) manufacturers and customers are now working hard to resolve the situation for our customers

 

The head of BBC media services, has posted this blog

 

Naim are actively pushing to get our customers the BBC streams they desire, rest assured on this. It may take some time, but we are on it

 

Trevor (R&D)

Posted on: 17 February 2015 by Chris G

BBCR3HD now working on my ND5XS!

Posted on: 17 February 2015 by Mike-B

Thanks Trevor 

Posted on: 17 February 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Yes, ok now and working fine - thanks

Simon

Posted on: 17 February 2015 by DavidS

Confirming that the new Radio 3 320K UK AAC stream in Naim's Choice is working on my mu-so.

 

I've also implemented the MinimServer UPnP solution which works well.

 

Finally, found I could paste the new URLs (e.g. http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/medi...bbc_radio_three.m3u8) into the Mac application Radium and then stream them to mu-so via AirPlay

 

So a triple-whammy here :-)

 

Posted on: 17 February 2015 by GregW
Originally Posted by JSH:

Many thanks.  Working here

 

Any chance of working the same magic on R2, R4 etc

Unfortunately not. The Radio 3 stream is an exception which the BBC plan to review in a few months.

 

Posted on: 21 February 2015 by Goon525

I'm afraid that my experience trying to listen to CD Review on R3 320 stream this morning was very unsatisfactory - signal kept disappearing. In the end, I had to find an alternative way of listening via my Virgin TiVo - lower quality, but at least it worked.

Posted on: 21 February 2015 by DavidS
Originally Posted by DavidS:

...the MinimServer UPnP solution which works well.

 

There are now step by step instructions for Naim streamers at http://minimstreamer.com/naim/bbcradio.html

 

Finally, found I could paste the new URLs (e.g. http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/medi...bbc_radio_three.m3u8) into the Mac application Radium and then stream them to mu-so via AirPlay

 

The new BBC Radio 3 320 kbps URL is http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/medi...bbc_radio_three.m3u8. This can also be opened in Safari on a Mac.

 

Note that this only works in the United Kingdom. For other countries, replace /sbr_high/ with /high/.

Posted on: 22 February 2015 by u77033103172058601

That website appears to be mostly gibberish, clearly written by nerds for nerds.

 

Our Muso works from the router, so what on earth do I need to do? Currently I cannot listen to R5 and the world cup cricket and I really need to be up and running for tomorrow's next England debacle.

Posted on: 22 February 2015 by billposter

http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/medi...radio_five_live.m3u8

 

Airplay to Muso

Posted on: 22 February 2015 by Dave The Bass
Thanks Trev, it works for me.  Cheers. D
 
Originally Posted by Trevor Wilson:

one sudden brain wave later and i think i've got it

 

you should now see 2 BBC Radio 3 stream in Naim Choice - 

 

BBC Radio 3

BBC Radio 3 - 320K UK AAC 

 

if you can use the 320K UK AAC stream - i've left the other stream in for non UK customers just in case

 

Trev

 

Posted on: 23 February 2015 by FlyMe

Thanks Trev, working perfectly

Posted on: 25 February 2015 by garrybeardieman

Have just followed those detailed instructions to setup MinimServer to play BBC HLS AAC streams. It took a while. Had to install MinimServer on my QNAP NAS and control it via Minim Watch on my Windows laptop. After tweaking, it now plays the BBC streams beautifully!

My main problem was setting up the .m3u file. The minim server instructions allow you to download their sample file and convert it to a plain text file. I could not make this work and wasted a whole day trying to figure out why it wouldn't work. Eventually, I used Windows Notepad to write the file from scratch and save it as BBC Radio.m3u file. That worked instantly!

 

To play the BBC streams, just choose UPnP servers on the Naim app. Minim Server is there, listing the stations. Actually, to keep things simple, I downloaded Kinsky and set the BBC streams up on that app. It's easier for my wife to leave the Naim app alone for her albums.

Posted on: 28 February 2015 by JSH

Hi garrybeardieman,

Can you help please?  I still can't get this to go.  This is where I'm at:-

  • MinimServer and MinimWatch (latest editions) are installed and working well on my PC
  • I have copied the URLs from the Minim site
  • I have copied those into a Notepad file and saved it them as a txt file, then as a m3u8 file and then an m3u file
  • Naim (and Bubble) both see the m3u and m3u8 files as playlists within the folder I have set up for radio, but neither will open and play the files

What have I done wrong please or what else do I need to do please? 

Many thanks

JSH

 

Posted on: 28 February 2015 by SteveH

Hi

 

My guess is that the most likely problem is that your m3u file is in rtf format not a true txt file.

Posted on: 28 February 2015 by DavidS

Checklist

  1. Have you installed a transcoder? (I used ffmpeg) You have to install this separately and may need to set the PATH variable in Windows. Lots of instructions on the web.
  2. In MinimServer > Properties > System check that stream.converter specifies your converter (I took the easy option of entering the full path to ffmpeg file but I'm running it on a Mac)
  3. Also check that entries in your playlist include aac (e.g.#EXTINF:-1,[*R3;aac] BBC Radio 3) and that stream.transcode is set to aac:L16

Finally, restart MinimServer

 

The reason for the above is that although MinimStreamer decodes the new HLS streams to AAC, the format of this AAC stream cannot be played by Naim streamers (at least, not on my mu-so). The above black magic converts it into a PCM stream which works (and to my ears, sounds great).

 

If you are still stuck, try the MinimServer forum. Lots of help available there.

 

Posted on: 28 February 2015 by JSH

Thanks

 

They were saved in Notepad as .txt files not as .rtf as far as I can judge.  Do I need to do more?

 

JSH

Posted on: 28 February 2015 by DavidS

The file format needs to be a text file (which is what NotePad creates) but its name has to end with .m3u (mine is named "BBC Radio.m3u").

 

Is it still not working?

Posted on: 28 February 2015 by JSH

Thanks to all but still no success.  I've tried everything DavidS suggests; what I'm getting with Bubble is an error which says "Illegal MIME type error 714"

Does that give a clue as to where I'm going wrong?

Posted on: 28 February 2015 by DavidS

Hi JSH

 

I'm sorry that I can't explain that, but you will probably get the answer if you post your question on the MinimStreamer forum. I think it's worth persisting - it is working well for me.

 

david

Posted on: 01 March 2015 by JSH

Thanks for all your help David. I will try the Minim forum, though I have to say that I find much of what is written there is in a language I don't understand!  But I will try

 

JSH

Posted on: 04 March 2015 by Jota

I browse to stations by country, all stations then Radio Scotland and it's not working.  How do I get this back please?

Posted on: 04 March 2015 by Stephen Pritchard
Any chance Naim Choice could include BBC radio 5 sports extra?
I can't seem to get the cricket coverage from iRadio although BBC I player radio works on my iPhone but not on my NDS or Qutes.
Posted on: 06 March 2015 by NeilF

Can anyone explain why my Unitilite can no longer get Radio Scotland while my cheap little Marantz gets it perfectly and hasn't even neede a re-tune?

Posted on: 07 March 2015 by KRM

Conosurs of withering sarcasm can do worse than check out the replies to the BBC's feeble attempts to justify their actions on their Audio Factory blog.

 

Keith

Posted on: 07 March 2015 by Jota
Originally Posted by Jota:

I browse to stations by country, all stations then Radio Scotland and it's not working.  How do I get this back please?

Bumpety bump.  The Beeb say contact your device manufacturer.  Well, here it is.