We want TIDAL!
Posted by: andrew0810 on 11 March 2015
Well, we have our Naim hi-end amps, our Naim hi-end DACs, our Naim hi-end PSUs and all kind of stuff. But we have Naim hi-end STREAMERS too. And now, there's a hi-end streaming service, called 'Tidal' at hand - and guess what? We cannot use it! Because our multi-thousand-bucks-streamers are determined to play low-fi 'Spotify' only... Something's wrong here, isn't it?
So come on Naim! We want Tidal! And we want it NOW! Give it a try...
Well someone told ME. Maybe it was the distributor ;-) But it wasn't under a cda; I didn't sign a thing!
Hello everyone,
For android users, TIDAL lossless streaming works well with the BubbleUpnp App and my naim uniti 2 (v1). Priceless !
"Exciting changes are coming. As a result, our Account Sign-up, Account Management and changes to Playlist functionality will be affected by a planned downtime from 4 AM to 9 AM EDT today. You can still play music as usual."
https://www.facebook.com/Tidal?fref=nf
The German website (https://wimp.de/) is down.
Does anyone know what these "exciting changes" are?
Tidal has been recently abailable in my country. Trial version using Airport Express into NDX sounds quite nice! I am looking forward to having Qobuz available as I am primary into classical but was wondering if anyone with a revealing enough system has compared Spotify via NAIM streamers vs Tidal over a cheap digital connection like the AE. What I do know is that I have issues browsing and listening at the same time with Tidal via AE as was also the case when Spotify was not "integrated" in the streamer but apart from that my first impressions are that Tidal via AE bests Spotify. has anyone doe a proper comparison?
Tidal is integrated into Meridian Sooloos as of today, so I'm now just waiting for my 90 day trial code before I find out how good it is. If it shapes up and subsequently starts offering some MQA material, things could be interesting. If it can come to the Naim stuff too, so much the better.
After a few days with Tidal trial version I decided to discontinue. Both the search options and the lack of support for gapless playback are drawbacks for classical music listening. It took many efforts to locate for example the EMI Mahler 2nd with Klemperer and Philharmonia and then every few minutes there was a gap within a given movement... I may reconsider once gapless is implemented ...
"Well, who cares about gapless classical playback - I care about Taylor Swift and now that she is coming to Tidal I'm sure everyone is going to want it too."
"Well, who cares about gapless classical playback - I care about Taylor Swift and now that she is coming to Tidal I'm sure everyone is going to want it too."
Fortunately I have no complex needs relating to classical etc. I'm certainly finding Tidal impressive in terms of sound quality via Meridian Sooloos. There is the odd hiccup, but it's mostly pretty seamless. The albums just store on the system like any other and any questionable metadata can be edited. I guess the integrated functionality will be enhanced with the next major Sooloos revision.
Question: Why can't companies announce what they are working on?
Many companies do, in fact someone here listed a bunch of companies who have stated that they have or will have support for Tidal. Hasn't Microsoft said they will release Windows 10 this summer?
I understand that this is a throwback from the cold war days on the Internet where you had to keep secret what you are working on. But that was more for new revolutionary features that you didn't want your competitors to know. But in this case, all the big names have announced support. Naim is the slow pony out of the gate in this case, so who does it harm in releasing this info?
To me, keeping this knowledge secret hurts only two groups:
1. Existing Customers - all of us
2. Potential Customers - those looking for support for high quality streaming by high quality companies.
This probably a British thing, I get that.
I'm thoroughly enjoying listening to Polar Bear ( no not that one!) on TIDAL into my nDAC/XPS.
I'm using a Squeezebox Touch, bought for the princely sum of £180, supported by a team of enthusiasts. Ickstream (beta) allows me to play TIDAL and QOBUZ through it ( there is another way for QOBUZ also). Controlled by iPENG, (£5) on iPad and iPhone with a wonderful interface.
squeezebox, the original and still the best.
SJB
Hello to everyone...
as a novice to streaming, what would be the best way to listen Tidal trough nd5?
SB Touch / iPeng is STILL undefeated champs
Question: Why can't companies announce what they are working on?
Many companies do, in fact someone here listed a bunch of companies who have stated that they have or will have support for Tidal. Hasn't Microsoft said they will release Windows 10 this summer?
I understand that this is a throwback from the cold war days on the Internet where you had to keep secret what you are working on. But that was more for new revolutionary features that you didn't want your competitors to know. But in this case, all the big names have announced support. Naim is the slow pony out of the gate in this case, so who does it harm in releasing this info?
To me, keeping this knowledge secret hurts only two groups:
1. Existing Customers - all of us
2. Potential Customers - those looking for support for high quality streaming by high quality companies.
This probably a British thing, I get that.
Hi Roger,
There are a number of reasons but the main ones are that sometimes the companies we are working with won't let us disclose the information (it is often tied up in NDA agreements or maybe they have to approve any comms that go out mentioning their product for example) or sometimes we believe that it is better to not disclose what we are working on because we don't know how the partnership will turn out - for example some tech partners that we have worked with have simply changed their business model part way through the project making them no longer viable for us.
So it's not a cold war thing...
Phil
I did not see this coming. There have been rumors and some official talk about it but nothing concrete. As Tidal is officially in HK, yay, together with Australia, Germany and Poland today, it is time to take out my trusted Sbt from its box to plug it into UQ2. Streamer to streamer.. Ahem. Not complaining, it's definitely better than having none.
Question: Why can't companies announce what they are working on?
Many companies do, in fact someone here listed a bunch of companies who have stated that they have or will have support for Tidal. Hasn't Microsoft said they will release Windows 10 this summer?
I understand that this is a throwback from the cold war days on the Internet where you had to keep secret what you are working on. But that was more for new revolutionary features that you didn't want your competitors to know. But in this case, all the big names have announced support. Naim is the slow pony out of the gate in this case, so who does it harm in releasing this info?
To me, keeping this knowledge secret hurts only two groups:
1. Existing Customers - all of us
2. Potential Customers - those looking for support for high quality streaming by high quality companies.
This probably a British thing, I get that.
Hi Roger,
There are a number of reasons but the main ones are that sometimes the companies we are working with won't let us disclose the information (it is often tied up in NDA agreements or maybe they have to approve any comms that go out mentioning their product for example) or sometimes we believe that it is better to not disclose what we are working on because we don't know how the partnership will turn out - for example some tech partners that we have worked with have simply changed their business model part way through the project making them no longer viable for us.
So it's not a cold war thing...
Phil
"making them no longer viable for us" - My hope is that this statement does not apply to any of the major players i.e. Qobuz, Tidal, Deezer, et al., as that would be a worrying position for Naim to find themselves in.
And in other news... Tidal have announced a fifty percent cut in their subscription fee, down to USD10 per month. I assume this is global not just Stateside. Sourced from tech news site Engadget. Wondering if Qobuz will respond.
And in other news... Tidal have announced a fifty percent cut in their subscription fee, down to USD10 per month. I assume this is global not just Stateside. Sourced from tech news site Engadget. Wondering if Qobuz will respond.
u
Don't think it is for the loseless service but spotify level Of streaming quality.
Lots of noise on the web tonight from Tidal, price reductions, artists lining up to support etc. Will be interesting to see what happens next but it does seem to be the flavour of the month
My understanding is that the lower price is for lower quality like Spotify now. The Lossless streams will still be more money.
Tidal, and it's celebrity artist co-owners just got mentioned in the 6:30 am news in the Today Programme (BBCRadio 4).
Keith
...and it's the top Entertainment & Arts story on the BBC website. Artist owned with exclusive big acts at CD quality.
Keith
And in other news... Tidal have announced a fifty percent cut in their subscription fee, down to USD10 per month. I assume this is global not just Stateside. Sourced from tech news site Engadget. Wondering if Qobuz will respond.
u
Don't think it is for the loseless service but spotify level Of streaming quality.
....and im sure it will be GBP9.99 in UK, same as Spotify 'Extreme' sound quality (320kbps).
After a few days with Tidal trial version I decided to discontinue. Both the search options and the lack of support for gapless playback are drawbacks for classical music listening. It took many efforts to locate for example the EMI Mahler 2nd with Klemperer and Philharmonia and then every few minutes there was a gap within a given movement... I may reconsider once gapless is implemented ...
Trying TIDAL out recently on another manufacturer's Digital Streaming product that already incorporates this service and played Wish You Were Here in 16/44.1 FLAC - in its entirety and without gaps. Full £19.99 subscription version was being used, so there may be a clue in there too with regards to the ability to play gapless.
Today's news is re-inforcing the importance of this and other streaming services for the future of the music and (possibly) the audio/hi-fi industry.
And the sooner Naim add TIDAL to their streamers, then I for one will, personally, be subscribing in full. Have held off from subscribing to Spotify due to the lower SQ.
Tony
Thanks for the reminder - my 3 months of trial Spotify premium is ending and I needed to cancel.
I'll try streaming again when it's lossless and see if I use it. I really didn't use Spotify at all. (When I travel and want a little random music in my hotel room, I just use iTunes radio; it's "free.")
I think some people have been confused when they see Tidal 'Premium' for £9.99. That is indeed the lossy service. The 'High Fidelity' (FLAC) service is £19.99. I have a 90 day free trial via Meridian so I have a bit of time to make the decision. I can't argue with the sound quality though.