General election

Posted by: TomK on 06 May 2015

We have a general election today yet there's barely been a word spoken about it. Why is this? And what does the team think about it?

 

 

Posted on: 07 May 2015 by Don Atkinson

Allowing for Sinn Fein not taking up its seats in Westminster, the Tories might be able to form a single party government with as few as 316 seats - depending on how many Sinn Fein seats are won

Posted on: 07 May 2015 by Kevin-W

Oh goody. Looks like we'll get another term of that gammon-faced buffoon and his smirking sidekick.

 

Think I'll book a holiday.

 

On an up note, at least my local guy, Sadiq Khan, a good hardworking constituency MP, got in.

 

Expect to see lots of bloodletting among the Labour and Lib Dem upper ranks (assuming there are any of the latter left, that is).

Posted on: 07 May 2015 by Steve J
Originally Posted by Kevin-W:

Oh goody. Looks like we'll get another term of that gammon-faced buffoon and his smirking sidekick.

 

But Millband and Balls didn't make it. 

Posted on: 07 May 2015 by Bruce Woodhouse

The NHS was apparently the most important topic for voters.

 

We are about to have another Cons government, possibly in majority.

 

I'm confused. I am also holding my breath. The last time they launched a huge upheaval without a whisper in the pre-election manifesto. I have no idea what they will do now, and neither does anyone else.

 

Bruce

Posted on: 07 May 2015 by MDS

Well the City and the stock market will be pleased. Expect to see a surge in the FSTE100 today......until we get to that in/out EU referendum.

Posted on: 07 May 2015 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by Steve J:
Originally Posted by Kevin-W:

Oh goody. Looks like we'll get another term of that gammon-faced buffoon and his smirking sidekick.

 

But Millband and Balls didn't make it. 

Ho ho.

 

But Cameron does look like a sweaty ham, and Milliband looks like, well, Wallace. Osborne has a highly punchable face, Balls looks shifty.

 

The SNP swings in Scotland were astonishing.

Posted on: 07 May 2015 by Bruce Woodhouse
Originally Posted by Kevin-W:
Originally Posted by Steve J:
Originally Posted by Kevin-W:

Oh goody. Looks like we'll get another term of that gammon-faced buffoon and his smirking sidekick.

 

But Millband and Balls didn't make it. 

Ho ho.

 

But Cameron does look like a sweaty ham, and Milliband looks like, well, Wallace. Osborne has a highly punchable face, Balls looks shifty.

 

The SNP swings in Scotland were astonishing.

Balls looks like losing...recount at his constituency. Might wipe the grin of his face. He can stay at home whilst his wife becomes leader maybe?

 

Bruce

Posted on: 08 May 2015 by JamieWednesday

So the Scots voted for the most Scottish Party and the English, faced with a wide choice, actually narrowed the option and voted for the perceived most 'English' party, in a united defence against the Scots perhaps?

 

What's the betting Cameron and Sturgeon work 'together' so as to bring greater Seperation between the two?

Posted on: 08 May 2015 by Kevin-W

Well, Balls is gone. Biggest scalp of the night.

 

Nick Robinson paid quite a touching tribute to him just now on the BBC.

 

Good to see the loathsome Galloway thrown out by the people of Bradford BTW.

Posted on: 08 May 2015 by Kevin-W
Originally Posted by JamieWednesday:

 

What's the betting Cameron and Sturgeon work 'together' so as to bring greater Seperation between the two?

Jamie, don't you think that the break up of the Union would strike fear and despair into the heart of every good Tory? As he returns to No.10, I would imagine "the Scottish problem" will be uppermost in Cameron's mind. And it will be causing him real concern.

Posted on: 08 May 2015 by Mike-B
Originally Posted by Kevin-W:
............ I would imagine "the Scottish problem" will be uppermost in Cameron's mind. And it will be causing him real concern.

Agreed  - I hope Cameron sees this as an opportunity rather than a problem & that he takes this most significant change in UK dynamics as the catalyst to move towards a federal UK, boundary reform & PR.   

Posted on: 08 May 2015 by Bruce Woodhouse

Tories voting for PR would surely be Turkeys voting for Xmas?

 

In the past you could have argued that Cameron facilitating Scottish independence was good for the Tories electorally (if not ideologically) as it cut off a chunk of labour seats. Not any more.

 

 

Bruce

Posted on: 08 May 2015 by Mike-B

  Agreed Bruce,  however our system has always disadvantaged smaller parties, but the tables are turning & its now becoming a growing problem for the "big two" to get a significant majority,  especially so now the Scottish fox has got into the turkey farm.

Its time the tories realised that Christmas is on the calendar,  the status quo is changing, more party diversity with larger & stronger other parties & the growth in UK devolution, the tory turkey needs to heads up & not do an ostrich.

 

Posted on: 08 May 2015 by Bananahead

When asked by journalists how he would be celebrating the Tories' surprise majority in the General Election, David Cameron replied "I intend to go out and get absolutely Cleggless"

Posted on: 08 May 2015 by GraemeH
Originally Posted by Bananahead:

When asked by journalists how he would be celebrating the Tories' surprise majority in the General Election, David Cameron replied "I intend to go out and get absolutely Cleggless"

Brilliant!

 

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Posted on: 08 May 2015 by Huge
Originally Posted by George Johnson:

The point about democratic votes is that these represent as far as possible the whole population, being clever or stupid, lesbian/gay or straight, black or white, male or female. Etc. ...

 

Of course any minority can object to another minority, but then it is no longer democracy ...

 

While there is a real case for preventing really stupid people from driving, there is no case to stop the really stupid being represented in an election. And for the really clever, most really stupid people do not vote ...

 

ATB from George

But George, we don't have a democracy.

At best we have a representative democracy, but even that is usurped by the party whip system.

 

Posted on: 08 May 2015 by ewemon

Thats Clegg and Farage resigned, Milliband next?

Posted on: 08 May 2015 by JamieWednesday
It could have been worse for LD and Labour. The 'Pension Party' candidate in Hampstead came in behind former Eurovision singer, Ronnie Carroll. Who's dead.
Posted on: 08 May 2015 by Mike-B

Based on results so far (12:30)  I've been playing with numbers & worked out the variations of how many votes it takes to win a seat in this FPTP voting system.  

NB:  the column is ranked by total votes - UKIP came 3rd & SNP 2nd last  

Makes me feel sorry for UKIP - well almost sorry

 

 SeatsVotesVotes Per Seat
Con3251117550234386
Lab230925553840241
UKIP138351583835158
Lib/Dem82362551295319
SNP56145443625972
Green111396821139682
Posted on: 08 May 2015 by Bruce Woodhouse

Although always feeling that PR has an essential 'fairness' in terms of every vote counting equally and seats reflecting percentage support I think we would lose a great deal if we did not have local constituency MPs .A great deal of work is done in localities by most MPs, and local accountability is important too. we also see local factors causing individuals to be rejected against national trends at elections.

 

Most PR systems significantly dilute the idea of local representation; I think that would be a loss.

 

Bruce

Posted on: 08 May 2015 by Bananahead

What the UK needs is to replace the current second house with one based on the PR system.

Posted on: 08 May 2015 by George Johnson

What the UK needs to keep doing is to evolve without radical change.

 

It is strange that in a European and Russian political structure, the UK has avoided revolutions, extreme governments, and poverty.

 

The system is not codified in the way of straight-jacketing "written constitution," and is flexible enough to evolve as necessary. PR was rejected, and so was Scottish Independence. 

 

Yet change does occur, but slowly enough for the results to be seen before more change ...

 

Steady as she goes is the way. 

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 08 May 2015 by Don Atkinson

Well, the deal is done. A five year term with the Conservatives.

 

Let's hope Cameron is true to his word of working for the benefit of all in a United Kingdom.

 

I imagine very little will be wrung in his discussions for a new deal with Europe - but that's basically because the rest of Europe is a bunch of sour grapes and the European Commission will hang on to its lucrative bureaucracy like the leach it is. Any way, any referendum will be fought with Cameron leading 60% of the Conservative Party to vote to stay in Europe and most of the Opposition parties (UKIP excepted) persuading their members likewise or risk being called hypocrites !

 

As for the NHS.................probably best to start looking around for private health insurance ?

 

Posted on: 08 May 2015 by Lionel
Originally Posted by George Johnson:

What the UK needs to keep doing is to evolve without radical change.

 

It is strange that in a European and Russian political structure, the UK has avoided revolutions, extreme governments, and poverty.

 

The system is not codified in the way of straight-jacketing "written constitution," and is flexible enough to evolve as necessary. PR was rejected, and so was Scottish Independence. 

 

Yet change does occur, but slowly enough for the results to be seen before more change ...

 

Steady as she goes is the way. 

 

ATB from George

Er?

Posted on: 08 May 2015 by Dozey
Another 5 years of Conservative governmemt is a depressing thought. I may have to relocate to Europe like Mick Parry.