General election

Posted by: TomK on 06 May 2015

We have a general election today yet there's barely been a word spoken about it. Why is this? And what does the team think about it?

 

 

Posted on: 08 May 2015 by George Johnson
Originally Posted by Huge:

George, It sounds as though your preferred outcome was the same as mine: Another C + LD coalition.  I feel it worked surprisingly well last time; sound economics and moderation - in short, a necessary balance!

 

True mistakes were made (e.g. the excessive rise of zero hours contracts), but overall the country's in a better state now than at the start.

You are right, Huge!

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 08 May 2015 by rjstaines
Originally Posted by rjstaines:

Unfortunately there wasn't a candidate from Screaming Lord Sutch's Raving Looney Party in my ward this time, so I voted for the one with the biggest boobs.

 

I quote:

"By late Friday morning, the BNP had won 1,667 votes, 0.3% of the 563,743 votes they won in 2010. This year the Cannabis Is Safer Than Alcohol Party won 8,419, while the Monster Raving Loony Party reached 3,898."

 

OK, so I wasn't able to be one of the 3898 folks who take their politics with a pinch of salt, but it's reassuring to see that the memory of Lord Sutch (David Edward Sutch to his friends), lives on... as does his music?  Does anyone admit to owning one of his albums featuring (among others) John Bonham, Jeff Beck & Keith Moon ?  

 

Posted on: 08 May 2015 by MDS
Originally Posted by George Johnson:
Originally Posted by Huge:

George, It sounds as though your preferred outcome was the same as mine: Another C + LD coalition.  I feel it worked surprisingly well last time; sound economics and moderation - in short, a necessary balance!

 

True mistakes were made (e.g. the excessive rise of zero hours contracts), but overall the country's in a better state now than at the start.

You are right, Huge!

 

ATB from George

I think it arguable that the Lib-Dems acted as a constraint on the Conservative party during the five years of coalition. Not just in directly moderating some policies through the coalition agreement but also in causing the Conservative party to maintain an unusual degree of tight internal discipline.  Once the euphoria of the winning the election has passed and the Conservatives get down to day-to-day political business on the government benches I will be surprised if we don't see an increasing degree of ill-discpline, especially with a relatively small majority and the comparative safety of a fixed term.  Several policy issues could stimulate that ill-discipline, particularly the difficult negotiations that Mr Cameron is going to have in trying to win concessions from Brussels before he puts his case to the people in the EU referendum.  The negotiations with other members states will be hard enough, of course, but I suspect satisfying the demands of some of the Europhobes in his party will be even more challenging.  And then there's the 'English question'.

 

John Major's government suffered from this seemingly deeply engrained rebellious trait in the party when in power with a small majority and we know that didn't end well. I think the next two or three years are going to be very interesting indeed.

 

 

Posted on: 08 May 2015 by hungryhalibut
Originally Posted by Tony2011:
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:
Originally Posted by Tony2011:
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

The true measure of any society can be judged by how it treats its weakest members, said Ghandi.

 

We will grind the poor into the dirt while doing everything we can to support our Old Etonian brethren is the mantra of Cameron and Osborne.

 

Take your pick.

 

 

I did  take my pick Nigel and I'm quite happy with my choice and so were a good many other citizens. Now, be a good sport.  Vox Popoli!

Vox populi, please! 

Apologies, my iPad hasn't been to public school! 

I only got a U in my Latin O level, but it's served me well. Give it a day and we can put this behind us and get back to important matters, such as whether a Hicap can power two items or the impact of biwire jumpers.

Posted on: 08 May 2015 by Tony2011
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:
Originally Posted by Tony2011:
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:
Originally Posted by Tony2011:
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

The true measure of any society can be judged by how it treats its weakest members, said Ghandi.

 

We will grind the poor into the dirt while doing everything we can to support our Old Etonian brethren is the mantra of Cameron and Osborne.

 

Take your pick.

 

 

I did  take my pick Nigel and I'm quite happy with my choice and so were a good many other citizens. Now, be a good sport.  Vox Popoli!

Vox populi, please! 

Apologies, my iPad hasn't been to public school! 

I only got a U in my Latin O level, but it's served me well. Give it a day and we can put this behind us and get back to important matters, such as whether a Hicap can power two items or the impact of biwire jumpers.

Agreed. "Omnes nos amici sumus!" We're all friends, innit?

PS: I can't quite remember the equivalent of "innit" in
Latin.

Posted on: 08 May 2015 by hungryhalibut

Indeed. We weren't taught that. I bet there were dodgy geezers hanging around in the forum saying oi mate, want some gear, good stuff innit. In the Emporer's bestest Latin.

Posted on: 08 May 2015 by ewemon
Originally Posted by George Johnson:

A bad person is one who live at others' expense including the expense of future generations, as you seem to advocate.

 

ATB fron George

That statement George covers some people in both Top and Bottom of the social spectrum.

 

 

Posted on: 08 May 2015 by Christopher_M

I can't believe it, another five years of those Dave and Sam Cam summer holiday photo ops. Him in his dress down friday corporate style navy blue polo shirt, at a fish market in Cornwall or La Coruna.

 

Chris

Posted on: 08 May 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk
Originally Posted by George Johnson:

Strangely the electorate often seems to come out trumps. But this is democracy, and those who find themselves disappointed need to consider the national interest, which continues to be solving the National Debt ...

Absolutely, never under estimate the British electorate.

 

I am fascinated as to why the opinion polls seemed to appear to be so out of step.. Some early analysis shows there might have been too much reliance on social media / online media which perhaps encouraged more superficial or faux responses compared to more traditional methods.. Interesting.....

Posted on: 09 May 2015 by Don Atkinson
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

Indeed. We weren't taught that. I bet there were dodgy geezers hanging around in the forum saying oi mate, want some gear, good stuff innit. In the Emporer's bestest Latin.

I think he was called Brutus. And I know a fair number of his descendents all operating under the name Brute !

Posted on: 09 May 2015 by Don Atkinson
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:
Originally Posted by George Johnson:

Strangely the electorate often seems to come out trumps. But this is democracy, and those who find themselves disappointed need to consider the national interest, which continues to be solving the National Debt ...

Absolutely, never under estimate the British electorate.

 

I am fascinated as to why the opinion polls seemed to appear to be so out of step.. Some early analysis shows there might have been too much reliance on social media / online media which perhaps encouraged more superficial or faux responses compared to more traditional methods.. Interesting.....

The people who run these opinion polls watch each other like hawks. They are terrified of being out of line with one another. They "adjust" their output to suit.. treat them with a pinch of salt.

Posted on: 09 May 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Indeed, I am a 'member' of YouGov and there appears to be some soul searching going on.. Though interestingly they are playing down 'mode' methodology errors, that is whether respondents use landline, mobile, online etc..but I think they are looking at it from a demographic perspective rather than a propensity to reliably state intent basis... But what do I know .. I am just an engineer who put an X in the box.

Simon

Posted on: 09 May 2015 by JamieWednesday
One of the pollsters says the results of a poll shortly before election was fairly accurate in comparison with actual result. However, because it was so out of synch with all the other polls, they didn't publish it.
Posted on: 09 May 2015 by Huge
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:

...

.. I am just an engineer who put an X in the box.

Simon

Ah!, so you're the one who 'engineered' the victory! 

Posted on: 09 May 2015 by Bruce Woodhouse

Don't people just lie to pollsters-especially about supporting the Tories who may be seen as 'uncool'?

Posted on: 09 May 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk

I think that's  what they call the 'shy Tory'...

You might well be right.. Because of the labels and stereotypes perhaps people are embarrassed depending on circumstance to state their voting intent for either 'uncool and privileged' Conservatives, 'iresponsible' Labour, 'extremist' UKIP, 'meaningless' Liberal Democrats, 'naive' Greens etc 

But as we see, in the privacy of the polling both (though my booth was a large cut-away cardboard box this year.. Must be austerity).. these labels appear false and matter not

Posted on: 09 May 2015 by Willy
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:

'extremist' UKIP

Nah. They're not proper extremists. Rank bloody amateurs if you ask me.

 

 

Regards,

 

Willy (East Antrim).

 

 

Posted on: 09 May 2015 by Bruce Woodhouse
Originally Posted by GraemeH:

How we voted.

 

G

Brilliant

Posted on: 09 May 2015 by Steve J

I'm very quiet about my political views but my dealer made me laugh yesterday. He said that in a conversation with Mark Raggett that Mark said ".... there's as much chance of that happening as Steve not voting Conservative." I'm not saying if he was right or wrong.