Does Naim plan to support Win 10 on release?
Posted by: Mortalcoil on 13 June 2015
Hi everyone.
I'm sure it may have been discussed before yet a search yielded no successful results.
So as the title suggests can anyone confirm if Naim gear will support and play nice with Win 10?
More specifically directed to the DAC V1. With a July 29 release around the corner it would be nice to know that everything fires up according to plan.
I think that that is going to be a bios setting. It is seeing the USB device as a boot device so it contacts asking for the OS to load - but it should time out after a while. I get a boot slowdown sometimes if I have a CF card in my USB card reader.
A CF card is a mass storage device, so is a candidate boot device.
If the driver for the V1 declares it to be in the Mass Storage device class, than the driver is at fault.
Bananahead, if you set the boot order in the BIOS, you should be able to avoid this issue.
But the driver hasn't loaded yet at boot time so I think that it is doing a query to anything it sees on the USB bus - asking what sort of device it is. I used to have problems when I used to sometimes have an iPod connected ( but I fixed that with a hammer ).
One day I will save three or four seconds by looking in the bios
OK. So there are some current teething problems.
Which means you've made my point - don't be an early adopter, wait a few months!
I think that that is going to be a bios setting. It is seeing the USB device as a boot device so it contacts asking for the OS to load - but it should time out after a while. I get a boot slowdown sometimes if I have a CF card in my USB card reader.
A CF card is a mass storage device, so is a candidate boot device.
If the driver for the V1 declares it to be in the Mass Storage device class, than the driver is at fault.
Bananahead, if you set the boot order in the BIOS, you should be able to avoid this issue.
But the driver hasn't loaded yet at boot time so I think that it is doing a query to anything it sees on the USB bus - asking what sort of device it is. I used to have problems when I used to sometimes have an iPod connected ( but I fixed that with a hammer ).
One day I will save three or four seconds by looking in the bios
For your case where it's a delay before boot starts; it's the PnP system enumerating devices, then giving that data to the BIOS to initiate the relevant boot loader, and the boot initiating.
Unless the V1 is hardware configured to appear as Mass Storage (unlikely) or the Driver installs PnP configuration data indicating it to be a Mass Storage device (also unlikely), and the freeze occurs before boot initiates, then the cause is different. If it's freezing during the boot sequence it could well be the driver.
(Note: the iPod is a mass storage device as is the CF card reader)
freeze
Not to detract from the OP, but is a more relevant question whether to upgrade to Windows 10? I'm running 8.1 and just got an offer from Microsoft to reserve a free upgrade to 10. I don't stream, but if I did, I'd wonder why do the upgrade to 10 if it might cause problems with my current streaming capabilities?
Upgrading to 10 is a no brainer.
Not to detract from the OP, but is a more relevant question whether to upgrade to Windows 10? I'm running 8.1 and just got an offer from Microsoft to reserve a free upgrade to 10. I don't stream, but if I did, I'd wonder why do the upgrade to 10 if it might cause problems with my current streaming capabilities?
Upgrading to 10 is a no brainer.
....after several months once everyone else has reported all the bugs and they have been fixed. ;-)
Not to detract from the OP, but is a more relevant question whether to upgrade to Windows 10? I'm running 8.1 and just got an offer from Microsoft to reserve a free upgrade to 10. I don't stream, but if I did, I'd wonder why do the upgrade to 10 if it might cause problems with my current streaming capabilities?
Upgrading to 10 is a no brainer.
Not yet if you're using Win 7, and want a concurrent multi-window UI that doesn't try to turn your entire PC into one big tablet (if I have a job best done on a tablet, I use my tablet, not my desktop PC). We need to see how the Merto UI vs Classic UI operation works this time. Win 8 was far too keen to swap UIs without asking.
It was also fundamentally flawed for use by dyslexics as there were too may actions that need the user to operate the mouse on undifferentiated areas with no icon or other indicator(s). Win 7 was much better in this respect (it also provided more context selective options for people who can't remember complex sequences).
For Win 8 / 8.1 I would mostly agree, but still check for compatibility if you're using any less well known applications.
Because of course Microsoft never broke anything or created unintended incompatibilities via the release of a major OS update, have they?
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Actually less frequently than Apple, Linux or most Unices!
Of course I disagree. No problems with Apple or Unix IME.
http://www.macoscompatible.com..._breaks_airplay.html
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/...lity,news-31783.html
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4169850
Isn't it true that Apple expects everyone to always be on the latest release or thereabouts?
(Windows 7 is out of support already http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/lifecycle 
Not to detract from the OP, but is a more relevant question whether to upgrade to Windows 10? I'm running 8.1 and just got an offer from Microsoft to reserve a free upgrade to 10. I don't stream, but if I did, I'd wonder why do the upgrade to 10 if it might cause problems with my current streaming capabilities?
Upgrading to 10 is a no brainer.
....after several months once everyone else has reported all the bugs and they have been fixed. ;-)
Day one for me. Over 4 million people have downloaded the preview and I have never had a problem with any release of a Microsoft OS. But I have had minor troubles with later fixes.
So retracting to the OP, problems arise from the apps rather than the OS?
It was originally a question of how soon Naim plan to get onboard with 10.
(Windows 7 is out of support already http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/lifecycle 
Well yes and no if you read the rest of the link.. If you are using Windows 7 you should have updated to Service Pack 1 by now for ongoing support... Windows 7 without the service pack installed is now out of support.
I certainly get free regular automatic updates for my Win 7 (SP1) PCs.
Simon
So retracting to the OP, problems arise from the apps rather than the OS?
It was originally a question of how soon Naim plan to get onboard with 10.
Quite true joerand. My real concern relates to how Naim plans on ushering in Win 10.
Are the wheels in motion?
Hi everyone.
I'm sure it may have been discussed before yet a search yielded no successful results.
So as the title suggests can anyone confirm if Naim gear will support and play nice with Win 10?
More specifically directed to the DAC V1. With a July 29 release around the corner it would be nice to know that everything fires up according to plan.
Without wanting to sound odd here - what Naim gear would you be referring to?
The only product that we do that interacts directly with an OS is the DAC-V1 which is 'only' one product.
As far as we are aware there are no issues with Windows 10 and the DAC-V1 (we have had a number of Beta machines running) and it seems that in Windows 10 Microsoft have even included support for 384kHz sample rates in their own drivers.
Other than that the Desktop Client for the servers still works fine ...
We don't envisage any major issues.
Phil
As far as we are aware there are no issues with Windows 10 and the DAC-V1 (we have had a number of Beta machines running) and it seems that in Windows 10 Microsoft have even included support for 384kHz sample rates in their own drivers.
Other than that the Desktop Client for the servers still works fine ...
We don't envisage any major issues.
Phil
Thanks for the update Phil, good to know.
Much appreciated.
It's good to see Windows 10 as a supported OS for the latest firmware upgrade.
Happy?
Happy !