Cover artwork - can I add artwork retrospectively on CDs uploaded without embedding cover?

Posted by: Dumb blonde on 16 June 2015

There are countless threads on problems with artwork but I can’t seem to find one answering in relation to the kit and process I use.  So apologies if this has been covered before, but the clue is in my name…I’ve got a superuniti and my music is stored on a NAS drive.  To rip the discs (Mac/ALAC) I’m using XLD as suggested by the dealer and now I’ve got to grips with adding artwork before ripping = happy.  However I uploaded about 40 albums without embedding the artwork first - is there any way I can add this retrospectively (it shows as a blank album on my iPad when browsing Naim app) or do I have to re-rip the lot in order to get the artwork showing?   Hunting around in both Naim app and Qfinder for the NAS and I can’t find a way to do this, or am I being dim?  Any help would be appreciated - it’s clearly not ranking up there with world events but it’s annoying so if there’s a simple solution please can you enlighten me?  Thank you

Posted on: 16 June 2015 by Glyn

You haven't said which media server you are using?

Most servers show non-embedded artwork if you put a JPEG of the album artwork in the same folder as the music files, usually named 'folder.jpg'.

This certainly works for WAV and FLAC files but I have never used ALAC.

Hope this works.

Posted on: 16 June 2015 by Sorren

On top of the folder.jpg, if you want to embed artwork into the music files a good tag editor should allow you to do that. I don't use a mac but on PC I use either dBpowerAmp (usually) or Mp3tag. These allow yo to edit the tags of a file (or multiple files) including adding or changing cover artwork. Hope this helps.

Posted on: 16 June 2015 by Bart

Two suggestions.

 

First, you need not embed the artwork.  Most servers will be happy if the artwork is a file named folder.jpg and placed in the same folder as the music files.

 

Second, you can definitely embed the artwork after ripping.  For the Mac, I use Metadatics. It definitely has a feature to let you embed artwork.

 

Good luck!

Posted on: 16 June 2015 by Dumb blonde

Thank you all for your replies.  I've started with what seems the easiest option - to try putting the folder.jpeg picture in the folder with the same name.  So e.g. I have a folder called U2 and within that  several other folders of albums  e.g. a folder called Rattle and Hum containing all songs.  Into Rattle and Hum folder I dropped a renamed cover artwork Rattle and Hum.jpeg then cleared the image cache on the naim app but sadly no joy, the cover still appears blank.  

 

Server...would that be TS212P?

 

Nailing it this way appears the easiest option if I can get it to work - am I missing a vital step in the process?

Thanks

Posted on: 16 June 2015 by Andrew Everard
Originally Posted by Dumb blonde:

Thank you all for your replies.  I've started with what seems the easiest option - to try putting the folder.jpeg picture in the folder with the same name.  So e.g. I have a folder called U2 and within that  several other folders of albums  e.g. a folder called Rattle and Hum containing all songs.  Into Rattle and Hum folder I dropped a renamed cover artwork Rattle and Hum.jpeg then cleared the image cache on the naim app but sadly no joy, the cover still appears blank.  

 

Server...would that be TS212P?

 

Nailing it this way appears the easiest option if I can get it to work - am I missing a vital step in the process?

Thanks

Rename the picture file to folder.jpg – not folder.jpeg – instead of Rattle and Hum.jpeg, do a rescan of the music on the QNAP (or just reboot the NAS and it'll do it for you) and you should be fine

Posted on: 16 June 2015 by Bart
Originally Posted by Dumb blonde:

Thank you all for your replies.  I've started with what seems the easiest option - to try putting the folder.jpeg picture in the folder with the same name.  So e.g. I have a folder called U2 and within that  several other folders of albums  e.g. a folder called Rattle and Hum containing all songs.  Into Rattle and Hum folder I dropped a renamed cover artwork Rattle and Hum.jpeg then cleared the image cache on the naim app but sadly no joy, the cover still appears blank.  

 

Server...would that be TS212P?

 

Nailing it this way appears the easiest option if I can get it to work - am I missing a vital step in the process?

Thanks

The "server" is the particular server software that's running on your TS212P.  The TS212P is a "nas" (Network Attached Storage).  That nas can run a few different servers; the QNAP Media Server should be on it, and I suggest making sure that that is running.  Twonky may also come pre-installed on it; make sure that is NOT running.

 

Finally, just clearing the cache with the Naim App was not enough.  The server needs to actually re-index the library in order to notice that there is now art in there.  If you dig into the controls for the Media Server, you should be able to find a way to force it to re-index itself.  (It may take a few minutes or longer to complete.)  After that, clear the Naim App cache and the art SHOULD appear.

Posted on: 16 June 2015 by Andrew Everard
Originally Posted by Bart:
The "server" is the particular server software that's running on your TS212P.  The TS212P is a "nas" (Network Attached Storage).  That nas can run a few different servers; the QNAP Media Server should be on it, and I suggest making sure that that is running.  Twonky may also come pre-installed on it; make sure that is NOT running.

Agreed. Even better go to MinimServer and install that as the server software on the QNAP.

 

The instructions at http://minimserver.com/install-qnap.html look a bit daunting at first glance, and it's completely understandable if you decide not to go down this route, but provided you follow them step-by-step they're pretty much foolproof, and will give a much smoother interface with Naims.

Posted on: 16 June 2015 by Glyn
Originally Posted by Andrew Everard:
Originally Posted by Dumb blonde:

Thank you all for your replies.  I've started with what seems the easiest option - to try putting the folder.jpeg picture in the folder with the same name.  So e.g. I have a folder called U2 and within that  several other folders of albums  e.g. a folder called Rattle and Hum containing all songs.  Into Rattle and Hum folder I dropped a renamed cover artwork Rattle and Hum.jpeg then cleared the image cache on the naim app but sadly no joy, the cover still appears blank.  

 

Server...would that be TS212P?

 

Nailing it this way appears the easiest option if I can get it to work - am I missing a vital step in the process?

Thanks

Rename the picture file to folder.jpg – not folder.jpeg – instead of Rattle and Hum.jpeg, do a rescan of the music on the QNAP (or just reboot the NAS and it'll do it for you) and you should be fine

Yes - I did mean call the artwork file folder.jpg and nothing else!

Posted on: 16 June 2015 by Blackthorn

I found that i had to call the cover art cover.jpg. Calling it folder.jpg does not work.

Posted on: 16 June 2015 by hungryhalibut

You don't need to call it folder.jpeg. Just call it folder and it will work. 

Posted on: 16 June 2015 by Dumb blonde

VERY HAPPY - thank you so much everybody for your replies.  Renaming to folder.jpg has worked!

 

I think I do use Twonky as that's what shows on the iPad, they must have set that up for me to use.    As you can tell I'm not very technical so it might be better just stick with how it's set up as I don't want to risk messing everything up, otherwise I'll be back on this forum in no time.

 

Thank you very much for all your help.  

Posted on: 16 June 2015 by Andrew Everard
Originally Posted by Dumb blonde:
so it might be better just stick with how it's set up as I don't want to risk messing everything up, otherwise I'll be back on this forum in no time.

Sounds like a plan, and happy to have helped

Posted on: 16 June 2015 by Bart
Originally Posted by Blackthorn:

I found that i had to call the cover art cover.jpg. Calling it folder.jpg does not work.

It's ultimately up to the server as to what it's looking for.  Some servers let the user pick the naming convention.

 

Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

You don't need to call it folder.jpeg. Just call it folder and it will work. 

I'm too old-school to put a file in a folder without an .extension  (I'm not so old school as to be comfortable calling it a folder and not a directory however.)

Posted on: 17 June 2015 by Blackthorn
Originally Posted by Bart:
Originally Posted by Blackthorn:

I found that i had to call the cover art cover.jpg. Calling it folder.jpg does not work.

It's ultimately up to the server as to what it's looking for.  Some servers let the user pick the naming convention.

 

 

That's what I thought. But I have recently migrated from Sonos to SU. The NAS and the server software are the same. With Sonos, I needed folder.jpg for the artwork to be displayed. With the SU, it has to be cover.jpg. How does that work? 

Posted on: 17 June 2015 by Mike-B

Its all in the NAS guys.   You can have the .jpg attached to each album called Folder or Cover, you can even call it Fred provided you tell the NAS what to go look for.

The NAS will have an entry line somewhere that controls what you get,  but it needs to be written & spelt correctly. I expect the how & were this is done will vary depending on NAS make & UPnP system its using.  In my Synology its in "Media Server" (UPnP) on a line called "Display cover image for audio/video files” & its written to include all the possible upper & lower case ways to spell cover & folder …......

........ cover.jpg;Cover.jpg;COVER.jpg;folder.jpg;Folder.jpg;FOLDER.jpg.

In XLD or dBpoweramp the album art is linked to the .jpg attached to the album.   Or it can be linked to art on www.

Posted on: 17 June 2015 by Blackthorn

That still doesn't explain how it's different between Sonos and SU when the NAS and server are the same, and haven't changed. In fact the Sonos STILL requires a folder.jpg to display artwork - if I rename folder.jpg to cover.jpg it will display on the SU, but not the Sonos. I have to have both folder.jpg and cover.jpg to get it ti display on both the Sonos and SU.

Posted on: 17 June 2015 by Mike-B

I guess you've answered your own question, Sonos does it differently.

In my limited time playing with Sonos I don't think there are any ways to change what they have.  

But with my NAS set to display both folder & cover named .jpg's,  Sonos works on my NAS whatever. So the fix is see if your NAS can be programmed as I've posted above, that way all the options are covered in one change & you will not need to get into each album & rename each album to folder.jpg

Posted on: 17 June 2015 by james n
Originally Posted by Blackthorn:

That still doesn't explain how it's different between Sonos and SU when the NAS and server are the same, and haven't changed. In fact the Sonos STILL requires a folder.jpg to display artwork - if I rename folder.jpg to cover.jpg it will display on the SU, but not the Sonos. I have to have both folder.jpg and cover.jpg to get it ti display on both the Sonos and SU.

The Sonos doesn't care about the server. It's just pointed to the music directory and creates it's own internal database (and as you say is happy with folder.jpg).

 

Your actual UPnP server on the NAS may have a different naming convention for it to find the cover art and if this is wrong then the SU which is using the UPnP server won't display the artwork. Mikes post explains it well. 

Posted on: 17 June 2015 by james n

Thanks Wat - i should have clarified my post by saying folder.jpg and embedded artwork. 

 

James

 

Posted on: 17 June 2015 by Blackthorn
Originally Posted by james n:
Originally Posted by Blackthorn:

That still doesn't explain how it's different between Sonos and SU when the NAS and server are the same, and haven't changed. In fact the Sonos STILL requires a folder.jpg to display artwork - if I rename folder.jpg to cover.jpg it will display on the SU, but not the Sonos. I have to have both folder.jpg and cover.jpg to get it ti display on both the Sonos and SU.

The Sonos doesn't care about the server. It's just pointed to the music directory and creates it's own internal database (and as you say is happy with folder.jpg).

 

Your actual UPnP server on the NAS may have a different naming convention for it to find the cover art and if this is wrong then the SU which is using the UPnP server won't display the artwork. Mikes post explains it well. 

 

Thanks James, it's starting to make more sense now. I didn't realise that the Sonos didn't use the server but created it's own database.

Posted on: 22 June 2015 by Dumb blonde

This has nothing to do with artwork nor Naim whatsoever, but as there were loads of helpful suggestions I'm wondering if anyone knows an easy way to transfer DVDs onto my Mac so I can save them and watch them there instead of loading a DVD, with a SIMPLE to use software?  This is about watching/learning from some fitness DVDs I have and the more I use the physical DVDs the more glitches I get.  Can I transfer to my mac and watch them a bit like importing a CD?  thanks

Posted on: 22 June 2015 by PG

i have an app called metadatics, if album art is missing i use this. however, where it places it on my as i have no idea.......it does work though.

Posted on: 22 June 2015 by supmario

Hello Dear All,

I have read this topic and i still do not follow the idea. I have NAS Synology DS215j with already ripped around 1TB of CDs. In some cases the artwork is OK. In majority not. I use EZ CD Audio converter that allows to "embed" artwork but it fails to be seen on Ipad when i play files (FLAC) on NDX. I have tried to put file XYZ.jpg to folder XYZ (te us say it is the name of the album) but it did not work. Any bright idea what has happend?

Posted on: 22 June 2015 by Bart
Originally Posted by supmario:

Hello Dear All,

I have read this topic and i still do not follow the idea. I have NAS Synology DS215j with already ripped around 1TB of CDs. In some cases the artwork is OK. In majority not. I use EZ CD Audio converter that allows to "embed" artwork but it fails to be seen on Ipad when i play files (FLAC) on NDX. I have tried to put file XYZ.jpg to folder XYZ (te us say it is the name of the album) but it did not work. Any bright idea what has happend?

One possibility is that xyz.jpg is not the right thing to name the file.  Most servers want the file to be called "folder.jpg"  That's right -- every album art file is named exactly that.  If you have a file for Revolver and name it Revolver.jpg, I can guarantee that the Synology server will ignore it.  Name it folder.jpg

Posted on: 22 June 2015 by Mike-B

+1 Bart

The browser settings line needs to be spelt out in all the upper & lower case variants for folder or as called in some albums - cover

My Synology is ......  cover.jpg;Cover.jpg;COVER.jpg;folder.jpg;Folder.jpg;FOLDER.jpg

 

However if you want to call the .jpg by the album name, OK - but would expect that to be a bit of a challenge as each & every album will need to be added to the browser settings line. 

e.g  revolver.jpg;Revolver.jpg;REVOLVER.jpg .........  followed by each of the next 500 album names