Windows 10

Posted by: Mike-B on 29 July 2015

It's Windows 10 Day !!!

Any problems yet ?

Why not share your experience (s)

Don't be in a hurry, it takes an hour or more

 

 

 

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by Mike-B

The press & IT trade have given it a positive approval ........

I used an IT buddies beta version a month ago & I am jumping in the deep end, so far - after 1 hr testing - it's 100% thumbs up from me

 

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by Bruce Woodhouse

I'm trying to think of a reason to be an early adopter. Seems best to let other debig a bit first.

 

I shall do it in a few weeks. I am actually someone who quite like Windows 8, on my laptop at least

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by Mike-B
Originally Posted by Bruce Woodhouse:

I shall do it in a few weeks. I am actually someone who quite like Windows 8, on my laptop at least

Hi Bruce,  problem is MS will eventually withdraw support for the old stuff,  it smacks a bit of 1984 & big brotherland,  but fighting off that kind of thing tends to leave us all in a land of hermits.  

 

IMO the face & twitter spheres are somewhere I choose not to go & happy to have all that stuff pass me by  ..........  however whilst I am extremely suspicious of the web stuff, google, apple etc. & do positively reject the all inclusive "let us do it for you" stuff,    I do like to be up to date with the latest developments.   

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by Bruce Woodhouse

I shall update all my devices (I need to buy a new desktop soon anyway as it is now somewhat steam age) but always seems to me best to let a few weeks go by to allow a bit of debugging by others before doing a big OS update.

 

Bruce

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by Bananahead

Upgrade took 40 minutes. All good.

 

Office 2013 works fine.

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by Mike-B
Originally Posted by Wat:

........ No need to be suspicious of Apple most of what it releases works really well & being based on Unix tends to be inherently more stable than Windows; it wasn't always the case, as pre-OSX they system was not truly multitasking, like Windows pre-NT & so applications could easily conflict.  I have never usex Google Chrome, but tge Amazon version of Android seems very good.........  

 

Hi Wat  I'm not "suspicious" as such,  maybe the word I should have used was "object" in that I object to "big brother" snooping.   I mentioned Apple & Google,  but it could be any of them; what I do on my PC is my business.

 

I had to use Apple/Mac with a cmpy I worked with, yuk !!!!    I learnt to hate Mac with a vengeance as at the same time I was using my very early low powered MS (PC) laptop with my own cmpy & my preferences have remained that way since.  

I love Google Chrome - minus the snoopy stuff

With Win-10 I am about to start playing with the new MS "Edge" - the old IE replacement  

And I soon clocked on to the fact that Naim app's are developed out of the iOS system,  so I use an iPad for that & travelling e-mails.

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by Mike-B
Originally Posted by Bananahead:

Upgrade took 40 minutes. All good.

 

Office 2013 works fine.

My 8.1 update took about the same time

Mrs-Mike's Win-7 is taking an age, must be 2 hours or more at this stage.  Its running away with the HD whirring noise but a black screen at moment.

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by Huge
Wat, one correction of a myth and a couple of points from knowledge and experience
 
Originally Posted by Wat:

Mike

 

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as pre-OSX they system was not truly multitasking, like Windows pre-NT

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This is an Apple marketing myth: Win16 applications were co-operatively multitasked, but device drivers and DOS applications were pre-emptively multitasked.  The most important bit of this was the pre-emptive multitasking of device drivers - this meant that holding down a mouse button wouldn't stop all the applications (unlike MAC OS 5 6 & 7).  Furthermore, as of Win 3.11, applications were run in protected mode; this protected each application from crashes in other applications (however device drivers could still cause a BSOD).
 
 
 
Originally Posted by Wat:

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To me the OS should be just about sorted now & companies that keep updating with largely cosmetic changes a bit of pain. However, as you say if we don't update we lose support. My old Apple laptop still works, but will not run current software. 

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This is normal and inevitable: new software designed for newer versions of the OS use functions in the newer OS that simply don't exist in the older systems.

While there have been cosmetic changes, from Win NT > Win 2000 > Win Vista > Win 7 most importantly there were security improvement at each step (and incidentally Free BSD is no more secure than Win 7).  I don't know the internal details of the changes in Win 8.1 (I never used it professionally).

 

 

Originally Posted by Wat:

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So although she is happy enough running the current version of Office and has some quite complex spreadsheets, she feels compelled, as does her company, to follow the upgrade. All she really wants is assurance her office suite will continue to work they way it always has. With W7 it was very stable, with W8.1 it crashes every few days (nothing too irksome): hope is with W10 the crashes are gone. 

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Interestingly, OSX Yosemite crashes every couple of weeks for me. Never experienced that with Apple OSX before. I guess that is progress for you. 

 

I shall watch for news on this thread, but doesn't seem as if she'll lose out by upgrading. 

 

 

I agree it's annoying that MS base their lifecycle on a fixed time-period rather than something like:

Release of 'Version +2' + 6 months.

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by Kevin-W

About five years ago I was on a long haul business flight and I was sitting next to a pretty senior MS executive. As someone who'd used a Mac at home for almost 20 years, but was forced to use a Windows PC at work, I asked him what it was like working for MS. He'd availed himself of the free booze and was quite open: he thought the company was, in the (very) long run, doomed.

 

He hated Steve Ballmer with a passion, regarding him as nothing more than a sweaty salesman infected with the worst trait a business leader can have - complacency. Ballmer, and the other bods at the top, were warned about the danger posed by the iPhone but they all ignored it, regarding it - as they did most of Apple's products - as little more than a toy which would never be taken seriously by "the enterprise". Later, in a desperate attempt to catch up with Apple, he overpaid for Nokia and Skype; good ideas coming from within the R&D teams at Redmond and elsewhere were stamped on, as Ballmer & Co preferred to buy other people's products and bundle them in; Vista was a complete dog and damaged the company's reputation; Surface was a flop; Bing's share of search is tiny; and MS' attempts to replicate Apple's retail model have tanked.

 

Now that Android and iOS have over 90% of the mobile devices market; and the market for desktop and laptops in decline,  I find it difficult to disagree with the predictions of the MS guy. They seem to be way behind the curve on most things except gaming, and I believe they don't make much money on that.

 

All that said, I've heard that Win 10 is pretty good, But now that I am self employed, and committed to the Mac OS "ecosystem" I can't see myself ever using it.

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by dayjay

I think its one of those areas where you either like a or you like b.  I bought my first mac recently to use with Audirvana on my Hugo and its great for that.  It also connects easily and the mouse and keyboard are lovely but its a nightmare to move files around on it and networking with it is a joke.  I'm sure if I had been using it for years it would be normal and intuative but I much prefer my PC as a serious machine

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by joerand

I'm usually one to wait with updates, but my laptop is now downloading Windows 10. The desktop PC I'm typing this post from is running on XP. I'll be at two extremes in the world of Windows. 

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by TomK

I have it downloaded and scheduled for update tomorrow afternoon to give me time for a complete system backup so we'll see how that goes.

Bruce I understand your caution and it's fully justified. When I was an IT manager I had to take that approach. Reckless IT managers don't tend to last long. However now I can indulge my curiosity and I'm keen to see how it measures up.

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by Guy007

I was going to test it on a VM first, unfortunately it's giving a "VMware SVGA 3D" display issue.  It looks like it might be as I have v10 but its fixed in v11....  I hope they just fix it in my version....

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by joerand

On the surface, a pretty painless update. I'm posting from the MS Edge browser which to me has a rather chaotic looking start page, so I'll be customizing that. 

 

Two minor issues I'm chasing down; getting my AVG anti-virus protection installed (I'm now depending solely on Windows Defender) and getting the touchpad on my Asus laptop fully functional - it won't scroll.

Posted on: 30 July 2015 by Gianluigi Mazzorana

Still in cue for download. Have to say i miss my Ubuntu but no way to make Ableton live run with it.....

Posted on: 02 August 2015 by Mike-B
Originally Posted by Mike-B:
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My 8.1 update took about 40 mins

Mrs-Mike's Win-7 is taking an age, must be 2 hours or more at this stage.  Its running away with the HD whirring noise but a black screen at moment.

Mrs-Mike's laptop crapped out big time.  It stalled during the upgrade, left it running overnight, but it was the same next morning.  We stopped & restarted & the MS prog said it needed to make repairs but it couldn't do anything & we concluded it was toast.

Went to laptop A&E where it was diagnosed as a corrupt HD

The laptop Sharman took everything off & is rebuilding .........  expected to be 100% fit Monday.

 

As for mine,  after a few days in I am 100% happy,  it works, simples, wonder what the fuss is all about

Still prefer Google Chrome over Edge  (so far)

 

Posted on: 02 August 2015 by Bruce Woodhouse

Took about 2 hours of installing after a 45min download on my Dell Ultrabook from Windows 8.1 but it works fine, no bugs I can find.

 

I liked the big tile covered start screen of 8.1 as found it fast and simple to get the things I used a lot but I guess I will get used to it.

 

Not sure about Edge yet-need to get organised and try it more. Not sure what advantage it is supposed to have over IE. I resent having MSN feeds and Bing as my defaults, will sort that shortly.

 

Bruce

 

Posted on: 03 August 2015 by tonym

Thankfully, I only need to use a PC on occasion but I booked the Windows 10 upgrade & for some reason I've not been offered it yet. Not that I'm desperate or anything but it seems everyone else has got their copies installed already.

Posted on: 03 August 2015 by dayjay
Originally Posted by tonym:

Thankfully, I only need to use a PC on occasion but I booked the Windows 10 upgrade & for some reason I've not been offered it yet. Not that I'm desperate or anything but it seems everyone else has got their copies installed already.

You're not alone Tony, I booked mine the first chance I had and I have not yet been offered it either.  I doubt either of us will be crying tears of desperation though

Posted on: 03 August 2015 by rjstaines
Originally Posted by Bruce Woodhouse:

I am actually someone who quite like Windows 8, on my laptop at least

 

Yes, I heard they'd found one person who liked Win 8 !   

Posted on: 03 August 2015 by intothevoid
Originally Posted by tonym:

Thankfully, I only need to use a PC on occasion but I booked the Windows 10 upgrade & for some reason I've not been offered it yet. Not that I'm desperate or anything but it seems everyone else has got their copies installed already.

 

Originally Posted by dayjay:
Originally Posted by tonym:

Thankfully, I only need to use a PC on occasion but I booked the Windows 10 upgrade & for some reason I've not been offered it yet. Not that I'm desperate or anything but it seems everyone else has got their copies installed already.

You're not alone Tony, I booked mine the first chance I had and I have not yet been offered it either.  I doubt either of us will be crying tears of desperation though

 

You can download it directly using this link on the Microsoft web site http://www.microsoft.com/en-us...e-download/windows10

 

No need to wait your turn 

Posted on: 03 August 2015 by Harry

I should have known better.

 

A clean Windows 7 reinstall a few weeks back in preparation for 10.

Upgrade to Windows 10 on Saturday.

Bugs, connectivity and network issues.

Roll back - "sorry, you can't revert to Windows 7, try doing a Windows 10 refresh".

Windows 10 refresh hangs after four hours and PC loops into continuous restarts because the boot device has become inaccessible.

Atrer vain attempts to get it to boot from an iso I downloaded and burnt on another PC, I get the PC to boot from the Windows 7 CD.

Get to DOS prompt.

Format C:

Reinstall Windows 7.

Copy all the backed up data back onto the HDDs - now in progress.

But the network now works

 

 

And yes, it's an i7 PC with 32GB RAM less than two years old.

 

Serves me right.

 

 

Posted on: 03 August 2015 by ewemon
Originally Posted by tonym:

Thankfully, I only need to use a PC on occasion but I booked the Windows 10 upgrade & for some reason I've not been offered it yet. Not that I'm desperate or anything but it seems everyone else has got their copies installed already.

The best way to get it Tony is pop over to the MS site and download their Windows Media Creation Tool

Posted on: 03 August 2015 by ewemon
Originally Posted by intothevoid:
Originally Posted by tonym:

Thankfully, I only need to use a PC on occasion but I booked the Windows 10 upgrade & for some reason I've not been offered it yet. Not that I'm desperate or anything but it seems everyone else has got their copies installed already.

 

Originally Posted by dayjay:
Originally Posted by tonym:

Thankfully, I only need to use a PC on occasion but I booked the Windows 10 upgrade & for some reason I've not been offered it yet. Not that I'm desperate or anything but it seems everyone else has got their copies installed already.

You're not alone Tony, I booked mine the first chance I had and I have not yet been offered it either.  I doubt either of us will be crying tears of desperation though

 

You can download it directly using this link on the Microsoft web site http://www.microsoft.com/en-us...e-download/windows10

 

No need to wait your turn 

Didnt realise that you had posted this and yes this is the best way to get it.

 

Posted on: 03 August 2015 by joerand

Windows 10 updated last night and my touchpad scrolling is working again

 

Only thing is that now scrolling down is up and scrolling up is down

 

Not sure if this is Asus or Windows.