Windows 10

Posted by: Mike-B on 29 July 2015

It's Windows 10 Day !!!

Any problems yet ?

Why not share your experience (s)

Don't be in a hurry, it takes an hour or more

 

 

 

Posted on: 19 August 2015 by Bananahead

I run Kaspersky (it's free) which also provides spam and banner filtering. And more importantly, I trust it (having never had a problem).

Posted on: 19 August 2015 by Sneaky SNAIC
Originally Posted by Bananahead:

It's not a new issue. It has been a "problem" since at least 7.

 

I just ignore it.

It's humorous having worked at MSFT for so many years and in particular Windows...how silly people are.

 

Here you go:  It's been an issue since devices could go to sleep and wake up...and its caused by the device manufacturer, not Windows. 

 

Just like how bad drivers, running in protected mode, crash Windows...everyone blames Microsoft.   Folks buy cheap crap from .tw .cn and wonder why the driver isn't very stable, or the device won't awaken after it goes to sleep.

Posted on: 19 August 2015 by Huge
Originally Posted by Wat:

..everyone blames Microsoft.

Sounds like a good plan to me 

IBM...

 

I Blame Microsoft. 

Posted on: 19 August 2015 by Sneaky SNAIC

I'll *really* stir up some trouble now...I've bought Dell for over 15 years...why?

 

When I was a dev in Windows we had a mix of many of the major brands of computers...we used them for dev, test, build, etc...however no single manufacturer is present like Dell.  I had a stack of 9 in my office which had a new version of Windows put on it every other day or so.

 

If you want a machine that has been, is and always will be *highly* compatible for years...buy a lowly Dell XPS.  Get the best CPU and memory you can, but get a cheap HDD, replace with an SSD.

 

I've got 6 Dell's running in this house, some are over 7 years old...every couple years I buy a new one and they "trickle" down.  They run on Windows for years and years.  With the setup I gave above (SSD for C and 3TB WD Black for D), its easy to flatten a machine and re-install it in no time.

 

Dell had an issue with Power Supplies a few years ago, but...over the long haul they are cheap and trouble-free machines.  Just don't buy any extras.

Posted on: 19 August 2015 by Sneaky SNAIC
Originally Posted by Patu:

Has anyone detected higher DPC latencies with Windows 10 compared to Windows 7? I recently upgraded and Windows 10 seems to give me higher DPC latencies which can cause dropouts with audio playback. Latency Monitor shows that the problem is mostly in USB drivers/ports and it seems to be very difficult to solve, as always. 

Look for WASAPI Event Codec for your audio program; it blocks all other process from audio while the codec is playing music...should help with buffering too.

Posted on: 19 August 2015 by Sneaky SNAIC
Originally Posted by Bananahead:

I run Kaspersky (it's free) which also provides spam and banner filtering. And more importantly, I trust it (having never had a problem).

Well, this poor advice...Windows Defender is good enough...and free as well!  Maybe it makes folks feel more secure to buy stuff not made by the company that makes the Operating System itself...wrong.

 

Lot's of un-named entities are pretty happy with it...not going into more details or sharing any acronyms.  The security orgs at MSFT are numerous, high intensity and include many "partners"...this is an understatement.

Posted on: 20 August 2015 by Huge
Originally Posted by Sneaky SNAIC:
Originally Posted by Bananahead:

I run Kaspersky (it's free) which also provides spam and banner filtering. And more importantly, I trust it (having never had a problem).

Well, this poor advice...Windows Defender is good enough...and free as well!  Maybe it makes folks feel more secure to buy stuff not made by the company that makes the Operating System itself...wrong.

 

Lot's of un-named entities are pretty happy with it...not going into more details or sharing any acronyms.  The security orgs at MSFT are numerous, high intensity and include many "partners"...this is an understatement.

Sorry to contradict you, but I used to work in computer systems design (including security) in a very sensitive area.  Unless Windows defender has greatly improved it's protection in Windows 10 as against 7 (is this so?), then what it provides is an adequate level of basic protection.  Certainly it will deal with the common simple threats perfectly well, however...

 

I can't reveal what I know (the NDAs are still in force, including MS ones!), but some of the paid systems give much more comprehensive and deeper protection against a wider range of threats.

Posted on: 20 August 2015 by Peter Dinh
Originally Posted by Huge:
Originally Posted by Sneaky SNAIC:
I can't reveal what I know (the NDAs are still in force, including MS ones!), but some of the paid systems give much more comprehensive and deeper protection against a wider range of threats.

Interesting comment!!!

 

I am greatly impressed by Win 10's rock-solid security and that would include Windows Defender  as well.

Posted on: 20 August 2015 by Sneaky SNAIC
Originally Posted by Peter Dinh:
Originally Posted by Huge:
Originally Posted by Sneaky SNAIC:
I can't reveal what I know (the NDAs are still in force, including MS ones!), but some of the paid systems give much more comprehensive and deeper protection against a wider range of threats.

Interesting comment!!!

 

I am greatly impressed by Win 10's rock-solid security and that would include Windows Defender  as well.

Virus / malware protection is like a dam.  Someone pokes a hole in it...the security industry finds it, signifies it, provides a fix and releases it; this happens constantly.  Every day, many new viruses and malware, etc...are created by individuals and even states. Beware free software.

 

Weakness are already there, sitting and waiting to be found.  New ones are created every day with every line of code written.  Viruses will always continue to get through...especially if you like porn and stuff like that.  If you had admin privileges and you are browsing, clicking installing...you will get a virus eventually.

 

Microsoft is heavily invested in making sure that anything and everything is fixed, patched and improved at a very fast pace.  The security industry is growing  faster and faster...more and more people involved.

 

 

Posted on: 20 August 2015 by Peter Dinh
Originally Posted by Sneaky SNAIC:
Originally Posted by Peter Dinh:
Originally Posted by Huge:
Originally Posted by Sneaky SNAIC:
I can't reveal what I know (the NDAs are still in force, including MS ones!), but some of the paid systems give much more comprehensive and deeper protection against a wider range of threats.

Interesting comment!!!

 

I am greatly impressed by Win 10's rock-solid security and that would include Windows Defender  as well.

Virus / malware protection is like a dam.  Someone pokes a hole in it...the security industry finds it, signifies it, provides a fix and releases it; this happens constantly.  Every day, many new viruses and malware, etc...are created by individuals and even states. Beware free software.

 

Weakness are already there, sitting and waiting to be found.  New ones are created every day with every line of code written.  Viruses will always continue to get through...especially if you like porn and stuff like that.  If you had admin privileges and you are browsing, clicking installing...you will get a virus eventually.

 

Microsoft is heavily invested in making sure that anything and everything is fixed, patched and improved at a very fast pace.  The security industry is growing  faster and faster...more and more people involved.

 

 

My apologies to Sneaky - it was cut & paste symptom. The "interesting" comment is from Huge.

 

Posted on: 20 August 2015 by Patu
Originally Posted by Sneaky SNAIC:
Originally Posted by Patu:

Has anyone detected higher DPC latencies with Windows 10 compared to Windows 7? I recently upgraded and Windows 10 seems to give me higher DPC latencies which can cause dropouts with audio playback. Latency Monitor shows that the problem is mostly in USB drivers/ports and it seems to be very difficult to solve, as always. 

Look for WASAPI Event Codec for your audio program; it blocks all other process from audio while the codec is playing music...should help with buffering too.

Thanks for the tip but this doesn't change the situation. I like to use ASIO output for foobar2000. 

Posted on: 20 August 2015 by Sneaky SNAIC
Originally Posted by Patu:
Originally Posted by Sneaky SNAIC:
Originally Posted by Patu:

Has anyone detected higher DPC latencies with Windows 10 compared to Windows 7? I recently upgraded and Windows 10 seems to give me higher DPC latencies which can cause dropouts with audio playback. Latency Monitor shows that the problem is mostly in USB drivers/ports and it seems to be very difficult to solve, as always. 

Look for WASAPI Event Codec for your audio program; it blocks all other process from audio while the codec is playing music...should help with buffering too.

Thanks for the tip but this doesn't change the situation. I like to use ASIO output for foobar2000. 

Did you try WASAPI Event with foobar2000?  I use this and have never had a single issue.

Posted on: 20 August 2015 by Huge
Originally Posted by Sneaky SNAIC:
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Weakness are already there, sitting and waiting to be found.  New ones are created every day with every line of code written.  Viruses will always continue to get through...especially if you like porn and stuff like that.  If you had admin privileges and you are browsing, clicking installing...you will get a virus eventually.

...

That's SO true.  And REALLY good advice.  Use a standard user account for normal use (particularly browsing) use an admin account only for admin work.  Thank you SS for this timely reminder.

 

Originally Posted by Sneaky SNAIC:
...

Microsoft is heavily invested in making sure that anything and everything is fixed, patched and improved at a very fast pace.  The security industry is growing  faster and faster...more and more people involved.

Again another good point made.  The latest Windows versions are much more secure.  This is the most common reason why some earlier versions of applications no longer work - because they did things that are inherently dodgy (like storing temporary data in their application directories).

 

It's even more evident with device drivers - again the most common reason that previous versions no longer work is that Microsoft have closed security loopholes that were present in the earlier driver models.  Drivers have so much more access rights, that their security needs to be very tightly controlled.

 

So when you old application or driver doesn't work, it's not Microsoft being awkward or making an error, it's usually because they are protecting you from the malware writers.

Posted on: 20 August 2015 by Sneaky SNAIC

Device drivers have access to Ring 0.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_ring

 

Good reads.

Posted on: 21 August 2015 by Huge
Originally Posted by Sneaky SNAIC:

Device drivers have access to Ring 0.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_ring

 

Good reads.

Very interesting about hardware virtualisation using a purpose specific configuration of ring 1 - I didn't know that.

Posted on: 21 August 2015 by Peter Dinh
Originally Posted by Dungassin:

Just had a look at this thread for the first time.  I currently use Windows 8.1 in Bootcamp.  Anyone tried the Windows 10 upgrade for a Windows installation in Bootcamp?

Windows 10 in Bootcamp is fine as long as you can put up with the followings:

 

  1. Poor battery life because it uses the high-powered GPU
  2. Trackpad usability - it is not as smooth as silk as in the MacOS. For me, it is a show stopper.
  3. Your laptop will get hotter, fan does not work as well as it does under MacOS.

However, I think they are the common issues with Bootcamp, if you see the same things with Windows 8.1, you will see the same things with Windows 10.

Posted on: 21 August 2015 by Dungassin
Originally Posted by Peter Dinh:
Originally Posted by Dungassin:

Just had a look at this thread for the first time.  I currently use Windows 8.1 in Bootcamp.  Anyone tried the Windows 10 upgrade for a Windows installation in Bootcamp?

Windows 10 in Bootcamp is fine as long as you can put up with the followings:

 

  1. Poor battery life because it uses the high-powered GPU
  2. Trackpad usability - it is not as smooth as silk as in the MacOS. For me, it is a show stopper.
  3. Your laptop will get hotter, fan does not work as well as it does under MacOS.

However, I think they are the common issues with Bootcamp, if you see the same things with Windows 8.1, you will see the same things with Windows 10.

I have an iMac, not a laptop, and use a mouse rather than a trackpad.  Windows is almost exclusively for gaming - mainly Repton ATM.  

Posted on: 21 August 2015 by Peter Dinh
OK, in this case you are good to go. I completely forgot there was even an iMac out there 

The question is whether you like Windows 10 or not, I know some prefer Windows 8/8.1

Posted on: 21 August 2015 by SongStream
Originally Posted by Peter Dinh:
OK, in this case you are good to go. I completely forgot there was even an iMac out there 

The question is whether you like Windows 10 or not, I know some prefer Windows 8/8.1

With regard to people preferring Windows 8, by a remarkable coincidence I know both of them.  One of them recently swapped their Mercedes S Class for a wheelbarrow.  Said it was much more convenient for the dog and easier to park.  Personally, I think they're both barking mad.

 

The really big question for a Naim forum is will the drivers for my DAC-V1 work with Windows 10?

Posted on: 22 August 2015 by Sneaky SNAIC
Originally Posted by SongStream:
Originally Posted by Peter Dinh:
OK, in this case you are good to go. I completely forgot there was even an iMac out there 

The question is whether you like Windows 10 or not, I know some prefer Windows 8/8.1

With regard to people preferring Windows 8, by a remarkable coincidence I know both of them.  One of them recently swapped their Mercedes S Class for a wheelbarrow.  Said it was much more convenient for the dog and easier to park.  Personally, I think they're both barking mad.

 

The really big question for a Naim forum is will the drivers for my DAC-V1 work with Windows 10?

Not sure you'd need to install any drivers...it should be detected as a USB Audio Playback device (assuming you are using USB). 

Posted on: 22 August 2015 by Dungassin
Originally Posted by Peter Dinh:
OK, in this case you are good to go. I completely forgot there was even an iMac out there 

The question is whether you like Windows 10 or not, I know some prefer Windows 8/8.1

I'll let you know when I eventually receive the download.   Not sure whether I should leave my iMac running in Windoze (bootcamp) when not actually using it, or if it will just download on the MacOS side.

 

 

 

SWMBO says she wants the Windows 10 upgrade for her Toshiba laptop and has 'ordered it' via the email from Microsoft.  Not sure how she will cope, as IMO she remains almost completely computer illiterate.   Daresay I will receive (as I already do with her Windows 7 installation) multiple requests to sort out problems of her own making  (sigh)

Posted on: 22 August 2015 by Huge
Originally Posted by Dungassin:
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I'll let you know when I eventually receive the download.   Not sure whether I should leave my iMac running in Windoze (bootcamp) when not actually using it, or if it will just download on the MacOS side.

 

 

...

When not running via Bootcamp, as far as the Windows partition and the rest of the world are concerned your Windows PC-on-a-Mac is simply switched off.

 

At some stage, when you use your Windows PC-on-a-Mac, Windows Update will tell you that an update to Windows 10 is ready to install, in just the same way as other windows updates are applied.

 

 

Originally Posted by Dungassin:
...

SWMBO says she wants the Windows 10 upgrade for her Toshiba laptop and has 'ordered it' via the email from Microsoft.  Not sure how she will cope, as IMO she remains almost completely computer illiterate.   Daresay I will receive (as I already do with her Windows 7 installation) multiple requests to sort out problems of her own making  (sigh)

 For her I would very strongly recommend using the windows update install for Windows 10 rather than requesting a Windows 10 ISO file install.

 

Make sure her anti-malware package is compatible with Windows 10.  If she then lets it do it's thing it'll probably just work.

 

Posted on: 23 August 2015 by Huge

I've just found a massive flaw in Windows 10

 

SMPT is unstable, it gives an acknowledgement BEFORE sending the message, then the send thread crashes destabilising the e-mail client.

Posted on: 23 August 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk

SMTP? No problems here - but using Outlook

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Posted on: 23 August 2015 by Harry

This is what killed 10 off for me. It turns out you can run some fix tool which apparently clears the issue. This was not documented when I hit problems so I had to roll back to 7 Pro as a matter of urgency. Fair enough if I was running a beta. Not remotely fair enough for a public release.