Ripping Errors - What to do?

Posted by: Mr THX on 29 July 2015

Hi

 

Just wondering what the advice is when ripping CDs which then come back with a track or two showing errors?

I'm using dBpoweramp CD ripper. Ripping to a Synology NAS

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by supmario

For me option 2 or 3 are reasonable or try to use other ripper.

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by Dave***t
Does your software re-try the problematic parts numerous times as it goes? EAC does, so worth trying it if not, even if it's only for problem discs.

Personally I wipe the disc carefully & re-try. As EAC tells me track by track what's gone OK and what hasn't, I'd hope to be able to re-rip only the track in question. If that still produces errors, I listen carefully to the offending section of the FLAC. Usually it turns out to be inaudible to me.

After that, up to you if you want to find another source for the track. Depends how much it matters to you in each case.
Posted on: 29 July 2015 by maccaa

I would clean disc and just attempt to re rip the offending track, which you can do in dbpoweramp.

 

I use a mac and have had success by using a different program or drive for the ocasional tricky disc.

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by Dave***t
Forgot to add, I've found that iTunes (windows, in my case) will often work in the rare cases where EAC will not. Seems it's a bit less discerning. That makes me distrust it for general use, as it could be glossing over errors. But in problem cases it could work, provided you check the results by listening afterwards.
Posted on: 29 July 2015 by Big Bill
Originally Posted by Mr THX:

Hi

 

Just wondering what the advice is when ripping CDs which then come back with a track or two showing errors?

I'm using dBpoweramp CD ripper. Ripping to a Synology NAS

  • Leave as it is one track doesn't really hurt
  • Re rip full disc?
  • Clean disc and re rip? Any suggestions as to what you use?
  • Does it depend on the type of eror message?

Yup agree with maccaa, give it a clean and try again.  I have found in the past that once this sort of thing starts then it seems to get worse - so get it ripped as well as you can.

 

Don't know what the music is but hopefully it's a Cliff Richard album and then you could just bin it!  I wonder what you are doing with one of his albums anyway.  If it was a Kylie album you at least could keep the picture of the diminutive antipodean while you bin the disc.  Kylie is lovely, it's just a shame she can't sing.

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by Mr THX
Cheers guys some good pointers there ...

actually ripped all my 50+ Cliff Richard albums fine cheers
Posted on: 29 July 2015 by Bart

What cd drive are you using for the ripping?  It could be a drive issue, not necessarily a disc issue.

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by Mike-B

Old discs are liable to have "CD rot" (disc degradation/lamination separation) on the uter edge - the last track(s)  -  not able to fix this

 

Try a thorough clean & polish & fingers crossed

Set rip "Options" (Top Left Banner)  > Ripping Method & check "Secure" (recover Errors)

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by Harry

Still sounds like a high failure rate. Unless the CDs are in particularly poor condition I would suspect the CD reader/transport.

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by Steve J

I agree. 

 

Try one of these  

 

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsun...amsung+cd+dvd+writer

 

I've ripped thousands of CDs successfully over the last year with one of these. Excellent value for £20.

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by Bert Schurink

A couple of things to consider...

 

1. Try to rip with another dvd player you can buy them cheap and mostly using two ones will do the job.

2. Clean cd as mentioned

3. Retry the individual problematic tracks - does sometimes do the job

4. If nothing work just buy the one problematic track from f.i. qobuz or buy the cd new.

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by Clive B

I had a lot of problems like this when I started ripping, about 35 discs failed to rip properly out of the first 250 or so I'd ripped to that point and all my CDs were in pretty immaculate condition. I went through three UnitiServes and was being offered a third NS01 (even tried a different drive on one of these) when my dealer and I agreed that it could not possibly have been a fault in all these units. We even tried two different releases of the ripping firmware. In the end I sent a dozen or so problem discs to Trevor Wilson who investigated the problem using a programme called 'Nero CD-DVD Speed' release 4.7.0.2 , which showed 'C2' error spikes in the discs. Replacement discs were obtained and the problem was largely resolved. In a couple of cases I have returned one disc only to receive a replacement from the same batch which exhibited the same fault in the same place on the disc. The solution here was to wait a while or source a replacement from a different supplier and hope for the best. So the answer was a problem in the discs. It seems I was just very unlucky!

 

Interestingly, I have a copy of Dire Straits' 'Brothers in Arms' (normally I wouldn't admit to this) which has from new had numerous holes in the aluminium foil layer, and that ripped just fine.

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk

As said above, clean disc and re rip problematic track. Depending on CD drive and CDripper program you are using the drive can have varying degrees of success of using various brute force methods to read the track.I use dbpoweramp which I find good here and seems to have good interoperability with many CD drives. If I have a badly scratched disc I sometimes have to resort to this... And despite this it is very rare that any damage is audible even if the Accurip doesn't match.

Simon

 

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by karlosTT

As above.

 

Clean, then retry track.  Better still, retry in a different optical drive.  Most disc reading problems are fixed this way.  I use 3 drives, and 1 of them nearly always works with the stubbornly tricky tracks.

 

Some non secure rips actually sound OK, others don't,

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by Guy007

I have found that issue occurred with the 'secure' function on, so sometimes I just cancelled and turned it 'Burst' mode for those problem tracks. 

 

Upgrading to the latest version 15.3 seems to have fixed some of these problem issues, which always seemed to the last one or two tracks on a disc. 

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk

If the issue occurs reguarly on the last one or two tracks, that does suggest bad CD drive alignment, and you might want to try a different optical drive. I think dbpoweramp keep a list of optical drives that perform the best overall based on feed back from Accurip uploads.

Simon

 

Posted on: 29 July 2015 by Big Bill
Originally Posted by Mr THX:
Cheers guys some good pointers there ...

actually ripped all my 50+ Cliff Richard albums fine cheers

Ah well never mind, it must have been your Girls Allowed collection then.

Posted on: 30 July 2015 by Mike-B
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:

. I think dbpoweramp keep a list of optical drives that perform the best overall based on feed back from Accurip uploads

 

The  dBpoweramp system with Accuraterip needs to check the individual drive off-set, if it it does not qualify, then it will not allow that drive to label it as Accuraterip.  However that does not mean you cannot get an error free rip, or at least a rip that indicates its error free.  

I have two drives, a Samsung & a Dell; one gives an Accuraterip but with some CD's will show tracks that do not qualify;  the other drive will not align for Accurate rip qualification but will give "Secure" error free rips on more tracks than does Accuraterip.  Audibly they all sound error free to me - or at least nothing that is obvious. 

I do however have one CD that has the CD "rot" & it rips audible errors on the last two tracks with both drives  & show the same tracks with errors.   

IME whilst Accurate rip is a very good indicator that is comparing to the listed numbers of the same CD's it has on www record,  the dBpoweramp Secure Rip system does copy "your" CD accurately & if it does have real errors,  it shows it.

Posted on: 31 July 2015 by Mr THX
Thanks again for all the replies on this topic....

I do have one of those external Samsung drives picture above ... When I first got my Synology NAS I knew I was starting on a 600 disc ripping journey and TBH with error correction enabled didn't want to stress the drive in my iMac.

That said for the few discs I did have trouble with I've tried going back to the Mac and between them I'm getting sorted

Chris