Muso with external subwoofer

Posted by: GregWPGibbs on 12 September 2015

OK, I know the Muso is designed a an all-in-one self contained unit, but I was wondering if there is any way of adding an external powered subwoofer for AV use? My bedroom setup uses a Muso for music streaming duties - for which it is ideally suited - PLUS is connected via Toslink cable to my Sky+ box. In this secondary role, I'd like to add some bass reinforcement using a spare B&W PV1 subwoofer. I guess I'm talking about some kind of Toslink splitter/ switch with a sub output - but I doubt one exists? 

Posted on: 12 September 2015 by David Hendon

You can get TOSlink splitters easily enough but what you then have is a TOSlink digital feed which isn't going to be able to connect to a sub unless your sub has a digital input (which I suspect it won't) and although theoretically you could put that digital feed into a DAC and connect that to the sub, this is not likely to be very high quality with the sort of DAC you would be likely to be willing to buy for this role and I also suspect you will have a devil of a job getting the time delay through this external DAC and your mu-so to be the same and in sync with the TV picture.

 

So probably the answer to your question is no, basically.

 

best

 

David

Posted on: 12 September 2015 by David Hendon

Thinking more about this, you could perhaps connect the sub to the analogue output of the Sky box, but you will need to rig a volume control and you may still have a problem of syncing with the mu-so sound, not just in time but phase as well.

 

so I think that is still a no, but a smaller no than the one above!

Posted on: 13 September 2015 by Huge

So it's

 

NO

or

no

 

Take your pick!

 

 

(Or you could be silly and use a UQ2 as a multi-room server and to drive the sub, but even then I'm not sure how volume control would work).

Posted on: 13 September 2015 by GregWPGibbs

Thanks guys for confirming my initial suspicions. 

Posted on: 13 September 2015 by ChrisSU
Originally Posted by Huge:

So it's

 

NO

or

no

 

Take your pick!

 

 

(Or you could be silly and use a UQ2 as a multi-room server and to drive the sub, but even then I'm not sure how volume control would work).

...or just sell the Muso and get a Unitiqute. Oh....and some speakers! 

Posted on: 14 September 2015 by Huge
Originally Posted by ChrisSU:
Originally Posted by Huge:

So it's

 

NO

or

no

 

Take your pick!

 

 

(Or you could be silly and use a UQ2 as a multi-room server and to drive the sub, but even then I'm not sure how volume control would work).

...or just sell the Muso and get a Unitiqute. Oh....and some speakers! 

I did say it would be silly!

Posted on: 14 September 2015 by GregWPGibbs

The Muso more than meets my requirements for a secondary music streamer for my bedroom/ study and is very good value at £750 (no VAT in Jersey). 

Posted on: 22 September 2015 by rdhfrance

Hi,

 

I believe it is a good question. Can we add a subwoofer ?

 

To my ears, the Mu-so is good for trebles and mids. But the bass are not good (enough). Because they cut too early and you can ear the bass reflex effect. It isn't clean (enough).

 

Can we complain considering the size ? probably not. 

 

So I would have preferred a larger Mu-so with real bass OR the ability to connect a sub.

Why making it so small if it leads to a compromise from Naim.

 

So I am considering adding a sub. How ?

 

- open the Muso

- make a connexion to the 2 woofers.

- find a proper way to add a plug

- connect a sub to the plug (high level)

 

I wonder if the DSP cuts the low frequencies, so that the sub won't have anything more to deliver than the muso. If so I'll lose my time. Or maybe get a cleaner , yet limited, bass.

 

Your ideas are welcome.

 

Raphael 

 

(sorry for my english, I am french) 

Posted on: 22 September 2015 by hungryhalibut

The answer is that you cannot add a sub to the Muso. If you would have preferred a bigger Muso, the solution is to buy a system with separate speakers. 

Posted on: 22 September 2015 by Tony2011

WTF would anyone want to stick a subwoofer at the end of Muso? It was designed to be a stand alone "poshed up radio" for crying out loud. 

Posted on: 22 September 2015 by hungryhalibut

That's the blunter version of what I was trying to say. Thanks!

Posted on: 22 September 2015 by rdhfrance

Ok OK keep calm... 

 

Very productive answer. 

Extremely interesting.

Elegant as well.

 

If several people ask about a sub its because the sound quality of the Mu-so is hurt by its size and could be improved with more volume for bass reproduction.

 

The idea behind the Mu-so it to limit cables etc. Why adding a sub would be a bad idea ? You can hide it, even connect it wirelessly. 

 

I just hope Naim will add this possibility in a future release.

 

 

 

 

 

Posted on: 22 September 2015 by hungryhalibut

If you buy a small hatchback, you don't complain that it cannot accomodate the chest of drawers. You buy an estate in the first place. A Muso is what it is: an all in one sound bar thingy. It's not the heart of a Hifi system. 

Posted on: 22 September 2015 by Huge
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

If you buy a small hatchback, you don't complain that it cannot accomodate the chest of drawers. You buy an estate in the first place. A Muso is what it is: an all in one sound bar thingy. It's not the heart of a Hifi system. 

But you can put a tow hitch on most small hatchbacks!

Posted on: 22 September 2015 by rdhfrance

Your example makes no sense.

 

Can't a small hatchback have big engine ? or the latest in terms of technology ?

Yes, and this is precisely what you expect from a premium brand.

 

We do not agree, too bad it closed the opportunity to have a discussion.

 

end of the story I guess

 

Posted on: 22 September 2015 by rdhfrance
Originally Posted by Huge:
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

If you buy a small hatchback, you don't complain that it cannot accomodate the chest of drawers. You buy an estate in the first place. A Muso is what it is: an all in one sound bar thingy. It's not the heart of a Hifi system. 

But you can put a tow hitch on most small hatchbacks!

Posted on: 22 September 2015 by ChrisSU
You can't please everybody with one standalone device. You think it's too small, I think it's too big. You might be etter off with a Sonos soundbar, you can add their sub to it. Better still, if you can stretch your budget, get a Unitiqute.
Posted on: 22 September 2015 by Harty601

I have a muso and sons sound bar with sub and rear surrounds (for the TV).

 

Whilst the sub on the sound bar is a great addition and does give it some low end "wallop" I prefer listening to music on the muso as I feel it does a better all round job. 

 

I guess Naim could have done something to give the option to add a sub to the muso, but it is very much marketed as a one box solution. Once you move away from one box I would think it makes sense to go the traditional amp and speakers (plus sub if required route), but appreciate we all have different wants and requirements.

Posted on: 22 September 2015 by hungryhalibut

I guess there is a way to connect one of these to the Muso. Just make sure the radiators are secured to the walls very tightly. Works for me. 

Posted on: 22 September 2015 by Harty601

I'm sure we all remember the terrible consequences when Doc Brown tricked out his Muso......

 

Posted on: 22 September 2015 by Tony2011

@ hh, @ harty 

Posted on: 05 October 2015 by rdhfrance

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