Treat meat eaters like smokers

F**king aliens should go back to their own planets, stop coming round here building Hyperspace bypasses.

I agree there are too many people trying to force their minority views on the majority, whether it's ISIS or Vogons.

Good for you. I only eat foie gras and chicken nuggets made from reconstituted poultry slurry.

Delicious. And it costs nowt (not the FG, obviously, but you can get 48 chicken pieces from Dirty Chicken in South London for just 49p).

Suggesting is hardly forcing ideals. Forcing ideals would in this case mean banning meat. I don't eat meat and my view is that if anyone wants to eat it they should be willing to kill and butcher it themselves. I do eat fish, but am ok with bashing them on the head and chopping them up. The same goes for carrots - pull them, peel them, slice them and pop them in the pan. 

According to Huge Fernley-Whittingstall, if you're kind to animals they taste better. I don't kill animals personally but living as I do in a rural community there are often a brace of Pheasants hanging on our front door, a kind donation from one of the gun-toting locals. I'm happy to seperate them from their feathers and insides before scoffing them.

I only eat the meat of animals who eat grass. With one or two exceptions.

Been a few times the press and public politik has urged us all to start eating insects instead of meat.

farmed of course..... Imagine the poor immigrants  working for us at the spider factories.

I buy meat from a biodynamic organic farm. I pay a little more and those animals have a good life.

+ 1 to that.

I always try and source my meat locally if possible. Asda is only down the road and so is Sainsburys if we're feeling a bit extravagent 

I make sure I eat a couple of baby seals each day, meat is an important part of our diet. We were made to eat it and I will make sure i eat more than my fair share :-)

That's not forcing anything. If Jeremy wants to fund a public campaign, then that's up to him.

But I am also sick of having to listen to the anti-GMO/organic/local food hippie crap that spews out of people's mouths and in the press. This really becomes an issue when this completely mis-informed populism results in the bans of GMO and/or non "organic" foods to the detriment of the foods available to me and my family. These people should be ashamed that they keep pushing the same pseudo-science  and Monsanto conspiracy garbage. I rate them only slightly above anti-vaxxers and truthers.

P E T A

People Eat Tasty Animals

Rember

If god wanted us to eat broccoli he would have made it fun to hunt and shoot.

Chaps

This is one topic where hypocracy reigns supreme and I am a selfish self confessed hypocrite.

I have lead a reasonably good life and I can indulge my whims. Earlier this evening I popped out to a restaurant and enjoyed a pork medalion in honey sauce and very pleasant it was too. Naturally I sloshed it down with a decent bottle of burgandy and also had a liquer on the house.

It was my money that paid for it and I have the right to spend my money as I see fit. I can spend it on cars, hifi, cameras, hookers or whatever - my money, my choice.

However food is a serious subject because the world needs to produce more food to keep people alive.

I read somewhere that if we got rid of grass feeding animals and used the land to produce crops and fruit for people to eat instead of grass, the land would be more productive in feeding people. Using grass to make meat is very inefficient.

So it begs the question, should I have the freedom to pig it up on good quality meat or should I go veggie to let more people eat ?

I will be honest, I find that most vegetarians are dull and miserable sods who spend their time talking down to the rest of us and there is no way on earth that I want to be like them. However, they do have a point in that land should be used more productively and perhaps we should eat less meat and drink less wine etc.

France and Spain have thousands of acres devoted to wine making and yet there is a shortage of rice. That is really a ludicrous if not unethical situation.

Possibly we need more joined up thinking on food production and selfish buggers like us need re educating. 

Regards

Mick 

The Labour party novelty act rolls on. It will pass.

John.

The other option is fewer people. Then we could enjoy meat - we are basically omnivorous creatures - without having to think about others who might be hungry.

Anyway, i'm pretty sure that there is enough food to go around, even with grass-fed meat on the menu. It's just a case of sensible distribution that Corbyn should be campaigning rather than wholesale change.

GMO in and of itself may or may not be safe - that has not been "proven"...most of the studies on safety are of short duration (e.g., 90 day rat studies.)

But assuming it is safe, the point of GMO (and I will define this as other than hybridization but more to the gene splicing approach) is to allow the plant to be drenched in glysophate which is now being linked to cancer.  Here is the WHO release on glysophate:

http://www.iarc.fr/en/media-ce...nographVolume112.pdf

All I want is for them to label it - if people feel it is safe, such as yourself, then by all means have at it.  But people should be able to choose what they put in their own bodies.  Any more you almost can't get anything with corn or soybeans that is not GMO.

Remember, Big Food swore that HFCS was absolutely safe as mother's milk, and only more recently has data emerged that it is anything but.  That doesn't make one a "tin foil hat conspiracy theorist", it's just examining the behavior of the food lobby in the USA.  This is not the first go-round...these are the same people pouring antibiotics and steroids into livestock without regard to its effect on the population.

As the most recent (2012) lPubMed literature review stated:

"An equilibrium in the number research groups suggesting, on the basis of their studies, that a number of varieties of GM products (mainly maize and soybeans) are as safe and nutritious as the respective conventional non-GM plant, and those raising still serious concerns, was currently observed. Nevertheless, it should be noted that most of these studies have been conducted by biotechnology companies responsible of commercializing these GM plants."

They concluded that more research into the long term effects of GMO in the diet was definitely needed, and that the debate on GMOs "remains completely open at all levels."

Well, except at your house...

I love vegetarians............. on toast.

We are omnivores who are designed to eat a varied diet, including meat, and our bowel structure is designed for a varied diet. Our ancestors were hunter gatherers but with cosseted city life we have become detatached from the process.

Growing up in the countryside I have no qualms about killing, preparing and eating meat or fish. However I believe, and follow the principle, of only killing enough 'for the plate' if fishing or hunting. 

I don't proclaim myself to be a vegetarian, but my family considers me so. I don't eat "meat", yet seafood is a staple in my diet. I enjoy my dedicated vegetarian meals with my family, but am not averse to preparing specially requested barbeque ribs or Buffalo chicken wings for my children's birthdays. I don't eat the results, but am happy to cook it for them for the pleasure they get from it.

I'm no hippie, find them a turn-off, but I like hippie music. I'm disgusted by feedlots, their runoff, and the detrimental environmental impacts grazing has on the stream environments in which I work, so I made a conscientious choice not to be a participant in that industry. I don't impose my values on others, and have no qualms with responsible hunting.

In the larger scheme, obesity and cardiac disease are highly correlated with diet and meat consumption. These factors become a social issue when considered in terms of a nation's healthcare system costs. So there is a place in addressing a nation's dietary trends in relation to the overall health of its citizens.