Oregon shooter was from UK

Yes, indeed 

Its not bad as a film (not in the league of Ben Hur).

However, I prefer the much more recent take on the same situation - I am Legend. 

Jude

If gun ownership is written in the America constitution.

why don't they simply ban ownership of bullets ?

Debs 

What a load of twaddle "it was OK for the first few hundred years" yes it had nothing to do with the invention of fast firing machine guns, back in those days everybody used to hunt with Gatling guns but didn't use them on towns folk??   #sarcasm

Banning guns won't do much - except for really upsetting the gun owners which would be really interesting to watch.

I doubt the bad guys, nuts & maniacs will become model law abiding citizens if/when that law gets passed. And if/when they are banned,  don't forget the >millions to dispose of,   that will take a lifetime if not longer & there will still be a huge underground pile left, some in the secret arsenals of nut cases & psychopaths.

UK is typical of the problem, we banned hand guns & have strict controls on knives - crooks have hand guns, street gangs carry knives ..........

Russia and China are not free countries, and you limeys aren't going to figure this out from the armchair comfort of your tiny, locked-down island.  Come here and help protect the borders...our leaders will not.  The cities our leaders run are bankrupt, ghetto war-zones in which I won't ever go and advise my friends and family to not go.  In fact our current president's justice dept. supplied "military weapons" to criminal cartels in our neighboring Mexico (a giant parasitic 3rd world slum).  They used these weapons against Americans.  How is your logic now?  The border is porous...tunnel systems built underneath, submarines coming from south America.

Again remember the difference in size and scale, no one in the tiny European countries seems to be able to. Vast borders...and everyone wants in.  You do what you will, and say what you want...but you live in a different reality, and the folks here living inside this one will do what they need to for self-protection. Cheers.

P.S.  My father easily made guns and sold them to honest people using a simple mill and lathe.  Uncle, former Marine Corps also does the same.  Now you can 3D print them...what do you say to that?  Are guns really so hard to make?  Any of you hi-fi guys could make one in less time than it takes to save for an LP12.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

No, banning guns is unrealistic. But for heaven's sake, contol the purchase and ownership of them. How can you possibly justify people owning automatic weapons? Or possessing a complete arsenal of the blessed things?

The purchase is controlled for LAW ABIDING CITIZENS.

Automatic weapons are EASIER to make than Semi-auto...no automatic weapons were used in these highly publicized shootings...the guy in Virginia Tech used two pistols...but he barricaded the door and locked everyone in first...they were unarmed.

More guns is clearly the obvious answer then. That should reduce the incidence of gun violence in a trice...no?

'Jeez' as they say in the land of the 'free' and the home of the 'brave'.

G

So the 300million personally owned weapons are there to allow the residents of the USA to protect themselves from immigrants crossing the Mexican border, and also from the urban ghetto dwellers?

Yet these school shootings happen nowhere near Mexico, and in rural areas. And the USA is also, fundamentally, a nation forged from immigration, and great precisely because of that.

You are right in one thing. From the comfort of my little island I definitely do not understand.

Bruce

But Mike, despite knowing some rough/shady people and living in some dodgy areas in my youth I have never seen a real gun and no one has ever pulled a knife on me or anyone I know.  Nor do I know anyone who has been murdered or murdered someone else.  It happens, but it is a long lone way from the norm in the UK

Sad to say I have experienced all on your list dayjay. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...m-related_death_rate

Same here. Although the friend of mine who was murdered was shot when he was living in the USA.

I think we are on the same wavelength here Graeme, see my post above.

In your post you say that as a 6 year old you where around guns all the time and did think about shooting the people bullying you and Thankfully you did' nt.

I can imagine a similar situation as yours and the child involved would shoot and kill.

What a society you live in.You might be proud of how big your country compared to us Europeans in our little land locked countries but  you have never lost your Wild West mentality.

Even now you think you can police the World intervening in other countries affairs with your state of the art military might.

Hi Sneaky -- Just wanted to point out that 1) I am writing this from New York City, which is far safer than many rural areas, and 2) like so many recent disasters that have befallen the nation, the gun-running program began under the Bush administration.

You betcha!

G

Where did anyone say we wanted more?  You said this...I asked not to have my taken away (by the latest administration full of psychopaths)...especially when our govt likes to run guns to the cartels, and dumb stuff like that.

Every left-wing sycophant who gets in office in the USA has pre-written speeches for advancing gun control to be used within an hour of the next shooting.  Anyone who can win a political election in the modern world could just as easily squash 100 baby bunnies to death with their bare feet, just to feel the goo between their toes.

Election campaigns are controlled by algorithms, and population tricks...thousands upon thousands of polls and samples.  Uber-Gerrymandering, etc...it's not designed to represent the people anymore.  It's too big to allow people's input.

You may be getting warm. 

Let's play a game:  You tell me a complex social problem unique to the UK, and I'll solve it in a single sentence from the comfort of my home in the USA.

Getting my drift, read what I typed earlier...*wink* *wink*...*nudge* nudge*.

Perhaps you could be clear on your position regarding civilian gun ownership in the USA.

Do you want no guns

Do you want fewer guns

Do you want the status quo

Do you want more guns

Do you want everybody to have a gun

If none of the above applies, just set out in plain English what your position is.

Cheers

Don

My position is gun ownership is built into the American constitution, for the primary reason of preventing a future government from taking away our right to own a gun--and secondarily to defend oneself, others and their property--and possibly the country itself in dire circumstances.

I want each batch of left-wing politicians to stop trying to take all the guns every time they get in office, to prevent all of the above.  If it seems recursive, it is...because dire circumstances always happen, if you look at history. 

Speaking to the UK fellows...you are the children and grandchildren of a society that was living underground and forces to send the children out of the cities.  Bad stuff was happening, bad guys rolled through Europe, Russia, Africa faster than ever in history.

Before that, WW1...and you know where I'm going with this.  My parents and grandparents hammered it into me how important the 2nd amendment is.  Yes, innocent blood is shed to protect the 2nd amendment...yes it is.  Yes it could be me or my family, I hope its not.

I personally do not carry, as most places I go do not allow it!  You also get on a nice list when you sign up to carry, and if you make a mistakes you are treated nearly like a police officers because you are considered more informed and aware of the nuances of the law around using deadly force.

I drive a Prius, and I'm not heavily armed by any means...my guns are locked in safes, registered.  My sons have not been taught to use them...yet.  I've never taken them out...I don't talk about them, wave them around...clean them a lot.  I don't wait hoping someone will sneak in so I can riddle 'em.  If something happens I'll be prepared (at home)...hope I never have to. I'm sure that guilt would be heavy.

However there is a new kind of young person in the world now, they've never heard the phrase: "Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me."  They get a trophy just for showing up, and when they get bullied on the internet; they go shoot a bunch of people and go viral...new phenomena.

What all of you are failing to pay attention to is the 750+ murders per year, of and by black Americans, in very localized places in big cities such as Baltimore, D.C., L.A., etc...that's where the big numbers come from.  You only focus on what the media is blowing up and Obama is talking about without 15 minutes of it happening.

Anyway I'm done with thread, thanks for letting me vent.  My kids are in college, and this shooting was 5 hours drive away.  The political rhetoric is sickening and repetitive, and focus only one particular aspect of a problem, and ignoring the bigger ones in their home cities.

Great stuff,

This does show that gun crime has nothing to do with size of borders or political/economic systems. No  surprise.   

The he debate has moved on I see to having unique and mange scale socialmproblems that are unique to the US.  

No it does not, it just shows where stuff is happening right now in the most volume.  Other violence is indeed from foreigners...Virginia Tech shooting, Tsaranev brothers bombing Boston Marathon, and this one...probably a few others, but I can't remember.  Yes I know bombing is not shooting, but making a point here...they didn't ban pressure cookers. 

Remember we have a border with Canada all along the North...more or less anyone who sets foot on Canadian soils stays.

BTW, Israel hasn't has any school shootings since they armed teachers...problem here is the last people you want with a gun is US teachers.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2...-security-in-israel/

Here is one of the primary themes I've been mentioning (contempt for life, not gun-love):

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/amer...ve-guns#.japzre:3hmu

I see that you are back on the subject of terrorism, which is a global issue. 

which do you want to focus on, gun crime in the US or terrorism in the US. Where does gun ownership in the US fit in with either?

Off to bed now

Jude