'The Humped Chub' (mullet taxonomy)

Posted by: Donkeyhaute on 27 October 2015

'The Humped Chub'.

 

I'm not selling lurid DVDs, and this isn't a general exhortation for people to rush about humping chubs. Neither am I a lonely chub. 

 

It's essentially a meaningless quickie that might, briefly, lift the veils of sorrow  - like what your Mum does.

 

It's also the new name I'd like to propose to describe my brother's gloriously unfinished* hifi. 

 

It stands as an abandoned folly:  a hymn to absent mindedness and ambition. Whenever I see it, I wince. 

 

Like an excitable chap spelling 'banana', he knew how to start, but not necessarily how to finish.

 

The first thing he did was drop a few thousand pounds on a Roksan Pre/Power combination. One of those ones named after early Persian emperors, or princesses that Alexander the Great had ransacked.  I was, as you'd expect, manfully crying 'Naim! Naim!' from the sidelines but he's much bigger than I am.

 

To these pretty admirable amplifiers, he connected his very old, budget MA Bronze Something-or Others. They once won an award in a hifi magazine for being the best bookshelf speakers, available on discount, with bronze-coloured woofers, for about £250 to students or larcenous builders. Let's say they got this award about a decade ago. It doesn't really matter because both of them are blown. I haven't the heart to point this out to him. I'd gone croaky from shouting 'Naim'.

 

Current state of play is x£K of amp (I genuinely can't hear if they are any good but suspect so), connected to very blown £250 speakers. To front this, I think he normally uses a Dac built in the East of England in a town known for its dubious, web-footed scholarship. This, too, won an award from a renowned hifi magazine. For Best-Use-of-a-Sine-Wave-on-metal-casing. Three years on the trot, I believe.

 

It was at this point that I felt compelled, as the elder brother, to sit him down and explain painful things to him about system balance, basic human reproduction and the quickest way out of Stoke Penge.

 

Consequently, and almost immediately, he spent £300 on interconnects from a company that normally limits its commercial efforts to the building of reasonably-priced domestic toasters. They had gold things on each end and the cable was semi-translucent.   When I tut-tutted a bit he improved things hugely by dropping another £100 on a power lead into the DAC. It had blue bits on it. At this point I rather felt that he stopped listening to me, so I slunk out. He also uses Spotify Premium a lot. 

 

So there we stand. 320kbps through a retired work laptop, into a goodish but aged and budget dac, through many pounds of amp, into flatulent budget speakers. 

 

What do we call such a thing?

 

* I asked him why he'd abandoned the rest of his plans after the amp bit, and he cited childish things like getting onto the property market, getting married, honeymoons,etc etc. After some of these things were achieved, he started moaning about the cost of water-proofing flat roofs when dealing with truculent and delinquent Irish builders. So, frankly, weak, weak excuses. I'm pushing him towards a 272 front and and whatever speakers he likes the lies of. 

Posted on: 28 October 2015 by Donkeyhaute
Mortified to learn that 'git' comes from 'Geat', old Swedish folk - Beowulf etc. so inadvertenty racist also. the internet is a minefield.  Minefields, laudably, are not racist. 
 
Originally Posted by Donkeyhaute:
Thank you Nigel. I'm actually a git. 
 
 
Originally Posted by nigelb:

Donkeyhaute,

 

Having read and enjoyed several of your posts I believe you are neither racist nor would you intentionally set out to cause offence.

 

I certainly hope you will continue to amuse (most of) us with your well written musings.

 

 

 

 

 

Posted on: 28 October 2015 by nigelb

George,

 

Don't worry about it. I have a degree in engineering and nearly put finger to iPad so insensed was I that someone might suggest that 3/8ths is just over half!

 

Luckily I read the post a second time. Maybe I was Norwegian in a previous life. 

 

Disclaimer: The above is in no way intended to be offensive towards Norwegians.

 

Geez, you have to be so careful what you write these days! 

Posted on: 28 October 2015 by Donkeyhaute
Thanks for a second time, Nigel. 
 
I hope, and think, we're a relaxed church here. That's why it's a valuable forum and why we invest in it. I was actually mortified I'd caused upset (had to leave work for a 30 min walk round the block involving self-interrogation). Snap review:  this is unpleasant - just buy a sandwich. I also concluded that, though lamentable, it was unintended, as I hope I proved by responses. 
 
Still, Geats are naughty and History chastised them.
 
 
 
 
Originally Posted by nigelb:

George,

 

Don't worry about it. I have a degree in engineering and nearly put finger to iPad so insensed was I that someone might suggest that 3/8ths is just over half!

 

Luckily I read the post a second time. Maybe I was Norwegian in a previous life. 

 

Disclaimer: The above is in no way intended to be offensive towards Norwegians.

 

Geez, you have to be so careful what you write these days! 

 

Posted on: 28 October 2015 by nigelb
Originally Posted by Donkeyhaute:
Mortified to learn that 'git' comes from 'Geat', old Swedish folk - Beowulf etc. so inadvertenty racist also. the internet is a minefield.  Minefields, laudably, are not racist. 
 
Originally Posted by Donkeyhaute:
Thank you Nigel. I'm actually a git. 
 
 
Originally Posted by nigelb:

Donkeyhaute,

 

Having read and enjoyed several of your posts I believe you are neither racist nor would you intentionally set out to cause offence.

 

I certainly hope you will continue to amuse (most of) us with your well written musings.

 

 

 

 

 

So if I might have been Norwegian in a previous life then maybe you were an old Swede.

 

I really hope ther are no old Swedes on the forum tonight! We could both be in trouble.

Posted on: 28 October 2015 by Donkeyhaute

um. I hate to be officious and stuff, but we are no closer to describing a system with an egregiously expensive amplification section.

 

 

Posted on: 28 October 2015 by Donkeyhaute
 
'The Unintended Statement'
 
 
Originally Posted by Donkeyhaute:

um. I hate to be officious and stuff, but we are no closer to describing a system with an egregiously expensive amplification section.

 

 

 

Posted on: 28 October 2015 by nigelb

OK, you don't like Octopus.

 

But an octopus has a core, a central body which does all the thinking, and controls all the rather inferior tentacles attached to it.

 

The Roksan amps are the body and the MA Bronze speakers, feeble DAC and tacky wires are the tentacles.

 

No, OK I'll get me coat.

Posted on: 28 October 2015 by George F

Without a superb speaker and well balanced source it matters not a bit how fine the amplification might be, egregious or not!

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 28 October 2015 by Donkeyhaute
I do like Octopus. I was just wary that we'd only generated one label, for a lot of ho-humhhimg. 
 
I'd modestly advance 'The Unintended Statement' since it seems to summarise this post and also ref Naim's Premier Amp section (which is likely to be egregious in most places). however it's not catchy. Where is Mr Halibut when you need him.
 
Second, I'd go for 'The Camel No'.
 
 
 
Originally Posted by nigelb:

OK, you don't like Octopus.

 

But an octopus has a core, a central body which does all the thinking, and controls all the rather inferior tentacles attached to it.

 

Posted on: 28 October 2015 by nigelb

Sorry, but it has got to be fish of some sort.

 

Don't know why, it just seems right. Failing this we could consider a dodgy haircut (the origins of Mullet if I am not mistaken).

 

 

Posted on: 28 October 2015 by George F

Can’t we have a salmon? Good from end to end! And nicely proportional all through ...

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 28 October 2015 by sjbabbey

How about an eel having swallowed a balloon or puffer fish.

Posted on: 28 October 2015 by joe9407

Posted on: 28 October 2015 by Donkeyhaute

I like that sjbabbey.

 

I did a bit of image-y research before I posted. There are a fair few fish species who suffer from the Rich III hump-back. I can't work out how to post their pictures.

 

What about....to drag things back to my brother's current system (he does like Naim by the way. But reluctantly, 'cos I have it)....

 

AN ANCHOVY WHAT SWALLOWED A PLESIOSAUR

 

This isn't catchy.

 

A BLOWFISH?! 

Posted on: 28 October 2015 by Donkeyhaute
YES. Good.What is that godless creature?
Originally Posted by joe9407:

 

Posted on: 28 October 2015 by nigelb

Maybe we should wait and see what new speakers are added - these puppies could change things and then we would have to re-christen the thing.

Posted on: 28 October 2015 by nigelb

Sorry, I didn't mean to stifle suggestions with my last post just as forumites were starting to get imaginative. Do you know what speakers your brother is thinking of getting?

Posted on: 28 October 2015 by Donkeyhaute
Likely to be PMCs. I will push for ATCs (mid range, speed). and I also push Gurus which I dearly love (through the reflex of ownership) and also because they are pleasingly idiosyncratic and dangerously addictive. 
 
He's buying over xmas so I'll report. 
 
I do still think we need a hunchbacked, over-amped nickname though. These, systems, logically, must be very nearly as common as mullets and monkfish. Simply through the expediency of people adding and growing their systems using extant kit. 
 
I mean, technically, I'm very nearly over-amped with a Nap 250 on a SU.  Sounds better than it did before the NAP, however. That I can solidly attest to.
 
 
 
Originally Posted by nigelb:

Maybe we should wait and see what new speakers are added - these puppies could change things and then we would have to re-christen the thing.

 

Posted on: 28 October 2015 by Donkeyhaute
We'll need to listen to his stuff in a room. I keep suggesting that the second hand market, with speakers, is where the value is. The tech is fairly slow-moving in comparison with Dacs etc and the depreciation is huge. 
 
 
 
Originally Posted by nigelb:

Sorry, I didn't mean to stifle suggestions with my last post just forum items were starting to get imaginative. Do you know what speakers your brother is thinking of getting?

 

Posted on: 28 October 2015 by Arfur Oddsocks
Originally Posted by Huge:

Some people genuinely cannot hear the difference between a half way decent midi system (such as the Denon M39) and a full Naim system - it's sad but true.  They have so little feeling for music that they're missing out on so much, not just in reproduced music, but live performances as well.  But then again they've never had any relevant experience, so they don't know what it is they're missing.

Why would someone

A. Have 'so little feeling for music' simply because they can't tell the difference between systems.

B 'Be missing out' on live performances based on what Hi Fi systems they have?

 

 Should music not  be a physical and emotional experience, rather than an intellectual one?

 

 

 

 

Posted on: 28 October 2015 by nigelb

I know, why not call the current system a Brian Blessed - over-amped, too loud and fat (sorry, a little large) in the middle.

 

Apolgies to all Brian Blessed fans.

 

This is rubbish - I'm off to bed.

Posted on: 28 October 2015 by Donkeyhaute
YES.
 
The Blessed.
 
Let's go with that.
 
Thank NLB
 
Originally Posted by nigelb:

I know, why not call the current system a Brian Blessed - over-amped, too loud and fat (sorry, a little large) in the middle.

 

Apolgies to all Brian Blessed fans.

 

Posted on: 28 October 2015 by Huge
Originally Posted by Arfur Oddsocks:
Originally Posted by Huge:

Some people genuinely cannot hear the difference between a half way decent midi system (such as the Denon M39) and a full Naim system - it's sad but true.  They have so little feeling for music that they're missing out on so much, not just in reproduced music, but live performances as well.  But then again they've never had any relevant experience, so they don't know what it is they're missing.

Why would someone

A. Have 'so little feeling for music' simply because they can't tell the difference between systems.

B 'Be missing out' on live performances based on what Hi Fi systems they have?

 

 Should music not  be a physical and emotional experience, rather than an intellectual one?

 

 

 

 

That's the point, but the cause and effect are the other way...

 

In my experience, these people "can't tell the difference between systems" because they have "so little feeling for music" (rather than the other way around).

 

In other words, they miss out on the breadth of the experience of music, it being a much more limited experience for them.  Often the only part of the experience that they do get is the intellectual part.

Posted on: 28 October 2015 by Arfur Oddsocks
Originally Posted by Huge:
 

 

 

That's the point, but the cause and effect are the other way...

 

In my experience, these people "can't tell the difference between systems" because they have "so little feeling for music" (rather than the other way around).

 

In other words, they miss out on the breadth of the experience of music, it being a much more limited experience for them.  Often the only part of the experience that they do get is the intellectual part.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, I don't agree and we clearly have different views on it but it's only opinion  so can I ask B again?

Why would my enjoyment of a live concert and all that goes with it, be influenced by what Hi Fi system I listen to?

Posted on: 28 October 2015 by dayjay

My brother wouldn't enjoy a concert, apart from the social side of it, because he has no interest in music.  He would not appreciate the skill of the musicians or the intricacies of the music at all and he would certainly not recognise a good system from a 'bad' system for exactly the same reasons.  Having said that my wife loves music and concerts but has no interest in how good or bad a system plays it back as long as it's loud so its not a universal truth