Is there an idiots guide to Naim power supplies?
Posted by: Steve GTX on 03 November 2015
Finally sold all my MF kit at totally loving the Naim N272 and NAP 250DR - HH, among others, rave about adding a power supply (seriously looking).
What is the difference between the various Naim power supplies?
What difference should it make and why (especially as the power amp is already DR'd)?
Is buying second hand unit (possibly with the DR upgrade) an viable option?
Then there is the mains lead at £600!
Steve
totally loving the Naim N272 and NAP 250DR
Steve
Steve,
I would have thought that totally meant no headroom for itches or wishes...
So which one: are you totally happy or are you partially satisfied?
Anyway, in your case an XPS-DR would probably be the right option, if you can get over the fact that you would then have a substantial part of the 272's inner stuff unused.
Best
N
Good point Naimiac
Well here's the rub - I'm on a journey and like any trip, it depends on where you start and where you are going.
I started off by being very dissapointed with my old kit and initially thought that I'd have a demo at home of the N272 and when connected to my old Musical Fidelity power amps the improvement was huge but then someone offered to buy all of my old HiFi, so I had a blank canvas.
After talking to my Naim (and very good) dealer, taking advice from this forum and a long home demo, I decided on the 250DR power amp.
So, when I say "totally satisfied", I mean that I've had a great trip and travelled a very long way........ but not nessasarily got to my destination - Perhaps the question should be, where is my destination?
Steve
How about "when you've spent as much money on it as you can justify to yourself"?
My Naim trip started a few years ago when my old Audiolab amp blew up. I went to the dealer to listen to a UnitiQute which did not quite do it for me, and bought a Uniti. Managed to justify the extra £1,000 for that.
The Uniti sounded great - better than anything I had previously, and it got me wandering how good it would sound if I went the next step up the range.
So we moved house and I bought a SuperUniti and a pair of £3k Audiovector speakers. Up until that point, I never imagined justifying £6k on hifi, but I managed it (and could afford it), and oh my it sounded good.
Move on a couple of years, and courtesy of the forum I then get wandering how good it would sound with a NAP250DR. So another £3.5k is justified and holy moly it sounds fantastic. So of course I'm now thinking about a 272, and after that no doubt it will be an XPS.
What has surprised me about my various upgrades is just how much of an improvement you get. I thought I would be firmly into dminishing returns by now, but the change wrought by adding the 250DR to the SU is glorious.
So I guess my point is that you won't know your destination until you find the point for yourself where you decide you don't want to spend more. And that will probably be influenced by other things going on in your life.
David
How about "when you've spent as much money on it as you can justify to yourself"?
My Naim trip started a few years ago when my old Audiolab amp blew up. I went to the dealer to listen to a UnitiQute which did not quite do it for me, and bought a Uniti. Managed to justify the extra £1,000 for that.
The Uniti sounded great - better than anything I had previously, and it got me wandering how good it would sound if I went the next step up the range.
So we moved house and I bought a SuperUniti and a pair of £3k Audiovector speakers. Up until that point, I never imagined justifying £6k on hifi, but I managed it (and could afford it), and oh my it sounded good.
Move on a couple of years, and courtesy of the forum I then get wandering how good it would sound with a NAP250DR. So another £3.5k is justified and holy moly it sounds fantastic. So of course I'm now thinking about a 272, and after that no doubt it will be an XPS.
What has surprised me about my various upgrades is just how much of an improvement you get. I thought I would be firmly into dminishing returns by now, but the change wrought by adding the 250DR to the SU is glorious.
So I guess my point is that you won't know your destination until you find the point for yourself where you decide you don't want to spend more. And that will probably be influenced by other things going on in your life.
David
I think that you may have hit the nail on the head David.
I've used the journey analogy before, because it would seem you can go as far as you want..... providing you are willing to pay for the ticket.
I too have been very surprised at just how big each improvement has been (in sonic terms).
Steve.
The XPS I brought home for demo a couple of weeks ago, that kept blowing fuses has just been delivered back directly from Naim (great service). Looking forward to plugging it into my 272 later and seeing what it can do.
The XPS I brought home for demo a couple of weeks ago, that kept blowing fuses has just been delivered back directly from Naim (great service). Looking forward to plugging it into my 272 later and seeing what it can do.
Please let us know how you get on.
The XPS I brought home for demo a couple of weeks ago, that kept blowing fuses has just been delivered back directly from Naim (great service). Looking forward to plugging it into my 272 later and seeing what it can do.
Please let us know how you get on.
Will report back (for clarity it's a non DR XPS).
Having owned a non-DR XPS and later 555PSDR, I believe the XPS-DR is the most value PS in the range. When I replaced my XPS with the 555PS, my reaction was, 'meh, is that it?'
Apologies, if people have taken insult from my comments on Power Supplies (and for derailing the thread somewhat).
I totally get the benefits of the separate Power Supply design as a means of upgrading your kit. No confusion there.
I just don't get why a Supercap can't power a 202 and a DAC at the same time (for example). To me it sounds like a business decision and not a design one.
Also suggesting that one Power Supply is a better match for a given pre-amp than another one, is (to me) at least nerdy, and it will inevitably make you feel that there will always be another PS that does a better job than the one you have (unless you try them all that is).
The Flatcap can power two items, but none of the other supplies can do so. The supplies do change from model to model. The flatcap, hicap and supercap can provide 24V supplies for preamps and simpler CD player circuits (the Supercap has 2 such outputs but for earthing reasons should only be used to power one item). The other supplies (XP5XS/XPS/555PS) have multiple voltage outputs designed to hit particular parts of the circuits for which they're intended.
So it's not quite as simple as you seem to be thinking. This isn't just a question of replacing the original supply by a better version of the same thing. You're actually delivering different voltage rails to the various parts of the circuits. Normally, when you have the link plug in place, the basic power supply in the NDX/272/CDX2/CD5XS routes its power through the link plug in a broadbase approach. When you remove the link plug and attach an external power supply, you are supplying several different feeds directly to specific points in the affected circuits.
The standard power supplies in the items in question are already more highly specified than much equivalent equipment. The external power supplies are that much more highly specified again and provide much better control at the various stages of the circuits, something few other manufacturers (if any) offer.
Regards,
Frank.
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hey Frank
thanks. this explains things quite a lot.
But still leaves the one big question:
Wouldn't be possible for Naim to fit PSs with one -or two- über power output links (plugs), smart enough to understand what the requirement the other end is?
Like so Power supplies would be universal (within the Naim ecosystem), and only differ in terms of physical size and/or component quality.
Toroidal transformers produce smooth stable linear current but they can't do switching without another inline switchmode which defeats the purpose. Naim have always been upfront that sound comes first and convenience second.
The PS issue is a main reason I went for Linn in the 90s. Naim's PSs bugged the hell out of me. Then I realised the sonic benefits. So I do have sympathy with your view.