Sopra 2s at Infidelity

Posted by: MDS on 11 November 2015

I spent a very interesting and entering afternoon at Infidelity yesterday. My main purpose in visiting was to hear the newly arrived Focal Sopra 2 speakers but recently I’ve also been toying with ideas for my 250.2 i.e. get it DR’ed or make the jump to a 300DR.  I took a good friend along who, while a hi-fi fan, isn’t familiar with Naim stuff so could offer an impartial view on what we were hearing.

 

My dealer had set-up a virtual clone of my home system, save for the speakers.  So I had the benefit of listening to my four-box CD replay system, CDX2.2/XP5XS/nDAC/555PS, into 282/SCDR/250.2 with the full SL loom.  Only differences were the dealer used Fraim and Fraim-lite racks as against my QS SVT, though the stacking order was the same;  the 555PS on the nDAC was a DR version; and whereas I use Powelines throughout in the store demo it was only the 555PS that had one.  So very, very close.

 

First up I had a good look around the Sopra 2s.  There’s no getting away from the fact that they are pretty big. Taller, wider and deeper than my (not insignificant) Electra 1028be. They also sit on a very substantial base onto which the downward port fires.  Interestingly while they have no rear port my dealer said after quite a bit of experimentation he’s concluded that they need to be a far bit away from the rear wall.  And a far bit further than my 1028be’s, which is a pity as that pretty much rules them out for me as, apart from size, they would protrude too far into my listening room.  Anyway I was eager to hear what they could do so we started the listening session using material all of us were very familiar with.

 

We began with the clone of my system i.e. using the 250.2. Early impressions were of the familiar Focal signature but with a delightful airiness and delicacy at the mid and top end.  I’d not expected this. Detail resolution was first-class and the integration between the drivers seemed excellent. While quite different from my Electras in that they were more laid back, I instantly liked the Sopras.  Vocals were wonderful.

 

We then swopped out the 250.2 for the new DR version.  To be honest the difference was smaller that I was expecting. A bit more detail and less ‘thickness’, if that makes sense. In fairness, this might have more to do with my ear being distracted by the newness of the Sopras and their different presentation. A longer comparison would probably have revealed more but my friend also felt the difference between the two 250s wasn’t huge.  

 

Next the 300DR was slotted into the system. Oh, my!  The impact was immediate.  We all agreed the jump in performance was big and pleasing. The bass of the Sorpras suddenly had much more authority.  Still more detail was revealed. Different types of music was tried from Mary Black to We Are The Fallen and impressions were all very favourable.  Yes the 250DR can drive the Sopra 2s and they sound very nice but for me they really need the 300DR.

 

I was also pleased to hear that the 300DR showed real benefit using my source and the 282.  I had wondered whether the additional resolution of the 300DR would reveal deficiencies earlier in the chain.  Not on the basis of what we heard in the store.  And the Sopras seemed more revealing than my Electras so that was reassuring too.  We tried one or two different sources just for reference and nothing suggested I need worry about my source or pre-amp.  So next step is a home demo of the 300DR to see what it does in my listening room and driving my Electras.  I’m very much looking forward to it, even though the investment needed for me to go to the 300DR is going to be serval multiples of the cost of getting my 250 DR’ed. Hey ho!

 

Finally then, I should offer a big thank you to Mike and the boys at Infidelity for an excellent afternoon.

 

Mike   

 

Posted on: 11 November 2015 by DC71
Nice summary of the session and differences between the gear.

Just have to say, Infidelity! Best name I've seen yet for a hifi dealer
Posted on: 11 November 2015 by T38.45

Thanks Mike! 

Posted on: 11 November 2015 by hungryhalibut

The only thing I'd say here, and without wishing to rain on your parade in any way, is that a 552/250 will knock the spots off a 282/300. If you go with the 300, a 552 really should follow. Are you up for that?

Posted on: 11 November 2015 by Christopher_M

Your ears Mike, you heard what you heard. And you liked it. Got to say though, that I agree with Nigel's logic, even though I've seldom heard kit at such an elevated level.

 

Thanks for an interesting write up.

 

Cheers, Chris

Posted on: 11 November 2015 by MDS
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

The only thing I'd say here, and without wishing to rain on your parade in any way, is that a 552/250 will knock the spots off a 282/300. If you go with the 300, a 552 really should follow. Are you up for that?

 

 

I don't doubt that the 552 will blow my 282/SCDR into the weeds, Nigel. But as I'm not (yet?) ready to spend that much on a pre-amp I have resisted listening to it.  Once heard I'm not sure my financial self-control would hold firm Having demo'ed extensively the 252 I know it's not for me and that if there is to be a next step the 552 will be it. So for the moment I'm looking at the pwoer-amp. 

Mike

Posted on: 11 November 2015 by MDS
Originally Posted by T38.45:

Thanks Mike! 

Sorry, T38.45.  Having looked at your profile I see you're the lucky owner of a pair of Sopra 2s and are using them with a 250.  Just to repeat, I very much liked what the Sopras did on the end of 250 but....   

 

 

BTW - what finish are your Sopras? Infidelity's were white but I'd love to see them in black.

Mike

Posted on: 11 November 2015 by hungryhalibut

Mike, back in the day I moved from an 82/supercap to a 52/supercap. Suffice it to say, the 252 didn't last long before being replaced by a 552. The 552/300 was just superb. I would never want to spend your money, but the 300 really deserves a 552. In the meantime, the 300 will be a massive jump over the 250.2 - when I got mine it made my speakers seem two feet taller. I'm sure you'd love it, and then you can keep your fingers crossed for a win on the premium bonds, at which point a 552 can be yours.

 

It's great, having had this stuff I no longer have any desire whatsoever to own it again, but it's fun supporting others on the way! 

Posted on: 11 November 2015 by MDS

Thanks, HH.  I will of course post my impressions when I have the 300DR on demo at home, currently planned for later this month.  If the 300DR does at home what it did in the store I'll place an order.  My thinking is that a 300DR will be it for power-amps but I'll still have somewhere to go on the pre-amp side.  I know I'm fortunate to have such choices.

 

Mike 

Posted on: 11 November 2015 by Steve J

Nice one Mike. The 300 is a great amp and IFAIK the difference between the 250.2 and 300 is as great, if not greater than between the 300 and 500. It's Naim's best vfm amp IMO. HH is right about the 552 but there's plenty of time for that.

With regard to the positioning of the Sopra's, it's quite normal for down-ported speakers to need some space. My 802's are down-ported and are recommended to be at least 50cm from a rear or side wall.

 

Good luck with whatever you choose.

 

Steve

Posted on: 11 November 2015 by 911gt3r
Originally Posted by MDS:
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

The only thing I'd say here, and without wishing to rain on your parade in any way, is that a 552/250 will knock the spots off a 282/300. If you go with the 300, a 552 really should follow. Are you up for that?

 

 

I don't doubt that the 552 will blow my 282/SCDR into the weeds, Nigel. But as I'm not (yet?) ready to spend that much on a pre-amp I have resisted listening to it.  Once heard I'm not sure my financial self-control would hold firm Having demo'ed extensively the 252 I know it's not for me and that if there is to be a next step the 552 will be it. So for the moment I'm looking at the pwoer-amp. 

Mike

Great write up Mike, and who said staging is a forbidden word. So it is 300 DR now, and later then ........552! No way round it ATB Peter ( ps could you email me)

Posted on: 11 November 2015 by MDS

Thanks, Steve. My 1028be's main port is downward and out through the front (rather penguin-like) but they also have a rear-firing port yet curiously they are very happy working at about 35cm away from the rear wall.  The official advice from Focal would suggest they need much more but experimentation has proven they perform very well relatively close to the wall.  I hope that the 300DR doesn't accentuate the bass necessitating a repositioning further out.

Mike  

Posted on: 11 November 2015 by ken c
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

....

It's great, having had this stuff I no longer have any desire whatsoever to own it again, but it's fun supporting others on the way! 

until a friendly dealer rings you with a very good deal on one... 

 

enjoy

ken

 

Posted on: 11 November 2015 by T38.45
Originally Posted by MDS:
Originally Posted by T38.45:

Thanks Mike! 

Sorry, T38.45.  Having looked at your profile I see you're the lucky owner of a pair of Sopra 2s and are using them with a 250.  Just to repeat, I very much liked what the Sopras did on the end of 250 but....   

 

 

BTW - what finish are your Sopras? Infidelity's were white but I'd love to see them in black.

Mike

White one, but not in the final listening position (waf :-))

 

Posted on: 11 November 2015 by gary yeowell

I always felt that the 282/SC2/300 was a fantastic combination when i owned it. A really superb set, that  is far more enjoyable than a 252/250 for example. Yes my 552 was better, but the 282/SC2 is not out of place with the 300 at all.

Posted on: 11 November 2015 by Harry

I'm with Steve above. IMO the 300 is Naim's best VFM power amp. The 252 get's my best VFM vote also. The 552/300 is superb but look at the price difference.

Posted on: 11 November 2015 by Steve J
Originally Posted by MDS:

Thanks, Steve. My 1028be's main port is downward and out through the front (rather penguin-like) but they also have a rear-firing port yet curiously they are very happy working at about 35cm away from the rear wall.  The official advice from Focal would suggest they need much more but experimentation has proven they perform very well relatively close to the wall.  I hope that the 300DR doesn't accentuate the bass necessitating a repositioning further out.

Mike  

You will get a more refined well defined bass with the 300 Mike, not a booming bass. You should have no concerns.

Posted on: 11 November 2015 by MDS
Originally Posted by 911gt3r:
Great write up Mike, and who said staging is a forbidden word. So it is 300 DR now, and later then ........552! No way round it ATB Peter ( ps could you email me)

Have just done so, Peter.

 

Mike

Posted on: 11 November 2015 by Chris Dolan
Originally Posted by Harry:

The 552/300 is superb but look at the price difference.

….. better just to listen to the music 

Posted on: 12 November 2015 by BNN

For my past experienced, skip the 252 or 300, save the bullets and go straight up to 552/500. For me, 552/500 is best combo for mid size room driving with mid size speaker. I mean the room size approx 16ft x 25ft and etc, the speaker shall be max using the 8" bass driver (I am using ProAc Carbon Pro 8)

 

Upgrade step by step has it's fun, but after so many upgrades from my past experiences, guess if you have proper plan and like the Naim sound, 552/500 is definitely your final choice for next 10-15 years. I owned this combo for 4 years and I still cannot find a single combo to compete with it. I tried Gryphon Pandora/Mesphisto, Accuphase 38000/A65, Jadis amp and etc, also heard at friends house with Pass Lab, Karan, Boulder, FM and some you can name it. Nothing can compete with the Naim's Balance sound performance. Please take note 'Balance Sound'. The higher you go, I think this 'Balance' make more sense to you later. Good Luck and have fun with Music! 

Posted on: 12 November 2015 by ChrisH

Nice write up Mike, thanks for posting.

 

I especially thought your point of taking:-

a good friend along who, while a hi-fi fan, isn’t familiar with Naim stuff so could offer an impartial view on what we were hearing.

was a really good idea.

Good to get an independent view.