Has Tidal died?

Posted by: KRM on 12 November 2015

It's not working via Naim, app or browser.

 

 

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Posted on: 12 November 2015 by Steve J

Now that would be ironic.

Posted on: 12 November 2015 by Scooot
Hi,
I am getting the same error message.

Scott
Posted on: 12 November 2015 by KRM
Originally Posted by Steve J:

Now that would be ironic.

Wouldn't it, though.

 

Still, it was nice while it lasted.

Posted on: 12 November 2015 by PaulinBath

Yep, dead here too. Still continuous silence is far better than the constant 20 secs of music, 20 secs of dropouts etc and skipped tracks experienced here all afternoon! It's getting to the stage that it's not even worth free never mind £20 per month. 

Posted on: 12 November 2015 by KRM

Oh, it's back.

 

My wife has suggested it's Abigail.

Posted on: 12 November 2015 by ChrisH

All working fine here in the Midlands, haven't had any drop outs or issues via my hard wired NDX since the beginning.

Maybe I'm lucky?

I am on fibre broadband and do get good but not brilliant download speeds (currently 20mbps).

Strange how it seems to be so variable.

Posted on: 12 November 2015 by ChrisSU

All working OK here.

Posted on: 12 November 2015 by KRM

I was getting 37mbps while it was down. Very strange.

Posted on: 12 November 2015 by phosphocreatine

Same problem with me !

Posted on: 12 November 2015 by SongStream

It's probably the load from Qobuz users jumping ship, all 50 of them at once, including me at the moment.  Sorry about that.  

Posted on: 12 November 2015 by ChrisSU
Originally Posted by ChrisH:

All working fine here in the Midlands, haven't had any drop outs or issues via my hard wired NDX since the beginning.

Maybe I'm lucky?

I am on fibre broadband and do get good but not brilliant download speeds (currently 20mbps).

Strange how it seems to be so variable.

Same here, I don't get dropouts on Tidal, but I've only got a crappy rural 4MB connection, and I use WiFi. Having said that, I think Naim have established that the dropouts, for those that have experienced them, have been at the Tidal server end.

Posted on: 12 November 2015 by KRM
Originally Posted by SongStream:

It's probably the load from Qobuz users jumping ship, all 50 of them at once, including me at the moment.  Sorry about that.  

Posted on: 12 November 2015 by ChrisSU

Seems like I spoke too soon. Tidal is becoming very badly behaved: most tracks I try to play, usually won't. The bottom bar reads 'TIDAL - Can't play. Track skipped' It seems a bit erratic, some tracks will never play, and others sometimes will and sometimes won't. Occasionally the app freezes and I have to close it and reopen. No problem with UPnP or other inputs.

Posted on: 12 November 2015 by alan33
I had the same "can't play " experience this evening...first ever fault here (I'm in Ottawa, Canada). It was unusual in that selecting an album from the "new" list worked, but nothing else from my frequent / previous searches would play. Not sure if it's back yet but thanks for the news from the world at large.

Regards alan
Posted on: 13 November 2015 by Michael

Same here ... I have been using Tidal on the free trial for several weeks now and never once have I experienced any kind of drop outs although I know many here have. This evening it flatly refused to play anything I tried. I certainly wouldn't want to pay £20 a month for a service if this becomes a frequent problem. Let's hope Tidal can sort it and make the service more robust.

Posted on: 13 November 2015 by jobseeker

It had a wobble on my Meridian set up yesterday too, though it didn't last long. There were some teething troubles early in the Meridian implementation, though I'm not sure which side was actually responsible. Tidal also implemented some changes that caught Roon out in the earlier stages too.

Posted on: 13 November 2015 by Sweeney Denis

Similar here on the Gold Coast in Australia. Although many drop outs wonder past my front door, I'm not keen on those I've been experiencing on Tidal these last few days :-)

Hope it gets fixed soon - have fallen back to Spotify the meantime which was lucky as I was going to drop Spotify. May have to re-think Tidal Vs Spotify (Spotify also has a much richer music choice than Tidal, at least for the music I listen to)

Posted on: 13 November 2015 by JSH

I thought streaming was the future, but after this and Qobuz perhaps it's still the future. It's certainly not the present.

I think I'll stick to buying CDs on ebay and ripping them for the time being

Posted on: 13 November 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk

JSH - I think streaming economically is the challenge. The tech is not new - but making it work as cheaply as possible for consumers is the challenge now - and I suspect this is where Tidal are trying to find their way.

I agree streaming hasn't replaced CD for me - eventhough I am proud of streaming as I spent much of my career in the mid to late 90s developing and trialling streaming technologies which to some extent are used now.. but back then the equivalent subscription would probably would have been £2000+ per month  

Simon

 

Posted on: 13 November 2015 by Solid Air

It is a bit wobbly, isn't it?

 

Streaming is certainly the present and the future - virtually all UK teenagers seem to use it - but I also expect it to improve as the technology and business models mature. I'll switch fully at some point I'm sure, but it has to get more stable, with a broader selection, before I do - could be a year, could be ten. Why cling on to my little selection of music on a NAS when I can have access to vast amounts of music in the cloud? 

 

Posted on: 13 November 2015 by JSH
Simon
I'm sure you're right that it is the economics.  The world is full of discarded technically feasible inventions which are economically non starters; Concorde and Maglev main line railways to name but two.
Streaming Hi-Res may be in that category.  Streaming per se - in low res mp3 - may be a different matter but one wouldn't need to spend large sums on superb hifi for that. A phone will do as does a car system which is basically what most kids use
 
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:

JSH - I think streaming economically is the challenge. The tech is not new - but making it work as cheaply as possible for consumers is the challenge now - and I suspect this is where Tidal are trying to find their way.

I agree streaming hasn't replaced CD for me - eventhough I am proud of streaming as I spent much of my career in the mid to late 90s developing and trialling streaming technologies which to some extent are used now.. but back then the equivalent subscription would probably would have been £2000+ per month  

Simon

 

 

Posted on: 13 November 2015 by Solid Air

JSH - yes, but unlike large-scale transport projects, all the parts in streaming tech are getting cheaper. Storage prices have plummeted and continue to do so, network speeds have increased massively per $ and the code required to validate and serve user requests is becoming standardised. Of course, the drivers of all of these things are the wider computing and media industries, not high-res music streaming, but it can still be the beneficiary. Lower costs means better margins and lower prices to the consumer, and that means more stable providers and much bigger audiences. It's very early days in this industry and there's a long way to go, but the direction of travel is very clear.

 

Posted on: 13 November 2015 by ChrisSU
Originally Posted by JSH:
Simon
I'm sure you're right that it is the economics.  The world is full of discarded technically feasible inventions which are economically non starters; Concorde and Maglev main line railways to name but two.
Streaming Hi-Res may be in that category.  Streaming per se - in low res mp3 - may be a different matter but one wouldn't need to spend large sums on superb hifi for that. A phone will do as does a car system which is basically what most kids use
 

Are those, by any chance, the same kids who find the concept of paying money for online access to any music (or movies) incomprehensible?

Posted on: 13 November 2015 by JSH
Probably!!!  But ask Solid Air; I'm sure he's better connected than an old fogey like me!
 
Originally Posted by ChrisSU:
Originally Posted by JSH:
Simon
I'm sure you're right that it is the economics.  The world is full of discarded technically feasible inventions which are economically non starters; Concorde and Maglev main line railways to name but two.
Streaming Hi-Res may be in that category.  Streaming per se - in low res mp3 - may be a different matter but one wouldn't need to spend large sums on superb hifi for that. A phone will do as does a car system which is basically what most kids use
 

Are those, by any chance, the same kids who find the concept of paying money for online access to any music (or movies) incomprehensible?

 

Posted on: 13 November 2015 by JSH
SA - very fair point about my transport examples which pretty much came off the top of my head, but there are many others where an invention has never made it to production because the costs never added up.
A reducing supply side cost does not necessarily mean that a project is long term viable.  It only will be when that supply side cost meets a demand side's willingness to pay.  If, or while, the gap between the two remains too large, the project will founder.
If that is the case then Qobuz may just have been ahead of its time.  On the other hand, if investors conclude that supply side costs of HiRez classical and jazz, and the demand side willingness/ability to pay for that are not going to meet then they will not invest.  In short, streaming may therefore work in some markets but not in others, unless there is cross-subsidy 
FWIW, for me, the jury is out
 
 
 
 
Originally Posted by Solid Air:

JSH - yes, but unlike large-scale transport projects, all the parts in streaming tech are getting cheaper. Storage prices have plummeted and continue to do so, network speeds have increased massively per $ and the code required to validate and serve user requests is becoming standardised. Of course, the drivers of all of these things are the wider computing and media industries, not high-res music streaming, but it can still be the beneficiary. Lower costs means better margins and lower prices to the consumer, and that means more stable providers and much bigger audiences. It's very early days in this industry and there's a long way to go, but the direction of travel is very clear.