LP12 sound quality

Hi Christopher...you are correct ..sorry it's a DIN to RCA. I got it ordered from naim rather than a Chord one. I will pop into the dealer and talk to the LP 12 experts....but sounds like PSU and Shelve are the next step.  thanks for the response and advice...

If you're going to use wall shelf, you'll need a good solid wall to put it on: it won't be happy on a flimsy stud wall. Personally, I never bothered because I think they look awful, with cables hanging below them, and they usually don't match your main rack. Still, if you're happy with the idea, it might well help.

What The Strat said--have the dealer come over and listen. Do that before you spend more money.

I don't know the stageline as I have my majik LP12 running through a Rega phono stage into Naim. However, could it be that your problem is that output voltage is lower from a Turntable and this is a volume issue?

The 'impact' of what youre hearing when switching between sources could be leading you to think the LP12 is flat, when it is in fact, quieter.

I think a TT's output is at 1.5v but someone here will know for sure. For example my CD players output is 2.5v and the volume differential is huge!

A wallshelf probably won't solve this (only an incremental improvement) as the LP12 is usually quite happy on a rack or table.

Digital is better in many ways.  

No, it's not ! The presentation is different !

That said, it depends on the specific record: I've done some comparison between (mostly) jazz albums that I have in Flac 24/96 and and in Vinyl. Most of the times I preferred the Vinyl. I also did the same comparison with CD quality material and the Vinyl was superior.

I think that in the long run the quality of digital audio will exceed the one of Vinyl but for now I like my LP12 very much !

An LP12 is anything but happy stuck on top of a rack full of gear, at a push, a FRAIM can be ok, but far better if it's dedicated and separate. A table is fine if it's small, light and rigid. 

digital is better in everything, like dynamic range, low distortion, no wow and flutter, no wear etc. 

Originally posted by Clearaudio lover:

"digital is better in everything, like dynamic range, low distortion, no wow and flutter, no wear etc."

Hi,

I think this statement needs to be qualified a little.

I have never heard any significant wow and flutter when playing most of my albums on my Michell Orbe turntable.

Dynamic range might potentially be better using digital sources if only record producers wouldn't impose horrendous levels of compression on a lot of modern digital releases.

I like my digital and analogue (vinyl) sources almost equally well.

Incidentally, Clearaudio Lover, I am intrigued as to why someone with your avatar would A) use a Linn turntable, and B) champion digital replay over analogue?  

Looking at Clearaudio's Avatar I think I may have discovered the reason for the "Wow and flutter"

Hi

I sounded good in the shop, but the stageline wasn't using an iSupply and it was on a rack.  Also it is hard to compare listening in the dealership and then at home since there was a few months time difference.

So not an accurate demo of what the LP12 would sound like in your setup. Was the dealer demo done with a Unitiqute?

Yeah the sonos has lot's of wow and flutter.

I do like a guy (or girl) with a sense of humour  

Robin,

Are you OK?

Or are you just fed up with records?

Best, Chris

i'm fine as is my LP12. But digital is still better in many ways

Best Robin

Hi Chris...I guess it wasn't an accurate Demo but it was similar.  So last night I played Rush Moving pictures on 24 bit 96hz and played the Vinyl 180g new release and the difference was night and day. The bass and the sound stage just blew the LP12 away.  Will phone dealer today or tomorrow and see what they say. This was the first time I did a back to back comparison...

Will keep you all posted.

Hope it works out Simon.  Strangely enough I ended up doing a back to back CD vs vinyl comparison the other night which I never do - it takes you into the listening to the hi-fi rather than the music syndrome - I've long just accepted that both are great if different but having put On Every Street by Dire Straits on the CDS3 whilst I did some other stuff I wondered what the vinyl version was like in comparison.  Well - the vinyl absolutely blew it away bigger soundstage, deeper bass, richer tones.  I'm sure it wouldn't be the same with every recording but I was surprised by the extent of the difference.

Hi Strat

And this is what I expected too. I was hoping a £3k turntable would blow away the £1k streamer and was surprised. When I listened to the turntable its OK, but you get used to the sound and its only when I listened digital to vinyl I got the surprise.

I cannot comment about Streamers, but I can compare CD from a CDX2 to LP on an LP12. 

The 2 differ in their presentation.  Bass from CD can be stunning - and an LP12 may struggle to match that. There are limits to what can be crammed into a vinyl grove here. Stereo image may well be better from LP rather than CD - because less channel separation helps here. 

A further problem is the 2 recordings may not be the same - !! (assuming you are doing the comparison using the same recording here......)  These days, more effort might go into the LP version. 

Fundamentally though, talk to your Dealer and get them to listen. Go from there.