Unitiserve Rips - Missing Tracks
Posted by: Mike A on 25 November 2015
Hi - I'm Mike. I've been lurking in these fora for a couple of years and never cease to be impressed at the knowledge and advice available here. This is the issue that has currently got me stumped.
I'm loving my new Unitiserve - and enjoying the flexibility to hop around my music collection at the tap of an iPad. Some artwork and metadata problems have now been resolved with N-Serve on the iPad or my Mac. Good functionality here, although a bit of documentation would help!
I'm about 200 CDs into my collection and seem to have hit a brick wall with one particular CD. Dream Theaters Greatest Hit (... And 21 other pretty cool songs) is a double CD. Disc 2 ripped perfectly, but disc 1 only shows the first 8 tracks of 11. My uniti CD player sees all 11. I 've tried feeding the CD back in again, cleaning the surface, deleting the rip from N-Serve, but none of these have delivered all 11 tracks.
Any answers out there please???
Sometimes, if there are faults in the cd, it simply won't rip all the tracks, and sometimes a cd just gets spat out. It's weird because, as you say,mthe cd looks ok and in some cases can be played on a CD player. You could try ripping it with your laptop into the downloads folder on the Serve.
I have, very rarely, found that a CD won't fully rip in the US. If you watch the rip proceeding using the n-serve IOS app, the tracks that don't copy appear to rip ok but then when they finish the error counter shows an error and the track doesn't appear in the listing. The last time this happened to me I cleaned the CD and I found on the fourth rip it did actually all go through ok.
When cleaning the CD it's worth remembering that they are different to LPs, so the last track is on the outside of the disc, not the inside. You can usually see by moving the disc in a strong light whether there is a scratch or some dirt (although three tracks would be a big bit of dirt which you couldn't miss).
Another reason the last track doesn't rip can be that it has some video embedded. Also I have had one or two discs which had anti-copy DRM which the US didn't cope with. In all those situations, Hungryhalibut's suggestion about ripping on a computer and adding to the downloads folder is probably the way to go.
best
David
Perhaps a stupid question, but what happens if one tries to rip the same cd repeatedly in order to rip missing tracks? Will this create problems such as duplicate data files or other problems?
I think this has happened for most server owners here. Sometime I have not discovered the missed trakcs until later and have not reripped the cd. Another thing that may or may not Work is to burn a copy of the disc and try to rip the burned copy.
I have one cd Mary Gauthier Live at Blue Rock, with a hidden track and that track does ot rip not onb my ns01, and not with db poweramp and 2 different drives.
Claus
Perhaps a stupid question, but what happens if one tries to rip the same cd repeatedly in order to rip missing tracks? Will this create problems such as duplicate data files or other problems?
No it just replaces the earlier rip with the new rip, but if I remember rightly I found it still missed the same track and I had more success when I deleted the album and started again, but that might have been coincidence.
best
David
Had a similar weird one recently when ripping Ministry's "Houses of the Mole". DBPoweramp showed 69 tracks on the CD, yet only 11 real ones played any sound. The extra 58 were 2 sec long "somethings" - no idea what.
See if you can make a copy of that cd then try ripping the copy. That worked for me once
Some other CDs have required a second attempt to get all the tracks, but only this Dream Theater one has stubbornly refused to give up all its tracks.
I've not tried adding existing files to the US from the Mac. Is this a drag and drop process? I have iTunes (populated with compressed tracks) but haven't explored what file formats it can create for me. There's a mild OCD feeling that I'd prefer to get all the CDs where they should be��
I've noticed the ripping monitor in the Mac OS X version of N- Serve, but not on my iPad. Am I just being dumb or is it tucked away somewhere less obvious?? I'll be interested to see what it tells you.
I've noticed the ripping monitor in the Mac OS X version of N- Serve, but not on my iPad. Am I just being dumb or is it tucked away somewhere less obvious?? I'll be interested to see what it tells you.
It's easy to find. You expose the index on the left hand side of the albums screen, by touching the three horizontal lines icon in the top left corner of your iPad (when it's in landscape mode) and then "ripping" is almost the bottom option on the list which is revealed.
Perhaps a stupid question, but what happens if one tries to rip the same cd repeatedly in order to rip missing tracks? Will this create problems such as duplicate data files or other problems?
No it just replaces the earlier rip with the new rip, but if I remember rightly I found it still missed the same track and I had more success when I deleted the album and started again, but that might have been coincidence.
best
David
Thanks David, I'll give it a go with a Nick Cave album which hasn't been ripped completely.
Yes. D & D to the Downloads folder.
Perhaps a stupid question, but what happens if one tries to rip the same cd repeatedly in order to rip missing tracks? Will this create problems such as duplicate data files or other problems?
The way to achieve what you're trying to do is to use EAC or DBPoweramp on a PC (or equivalent Mac applications) to rip the CD instead of the default rip done by a UnitiServe. These applications can be set to re-rip individual sectors multiple times at different reading speeds to increase the chance of a clean (or at least consistent!) rip of the data.
I believed I had a similar problem, however, on closer inspection, particularly with a "Greatest hits" or compilation album, I later found the "missing" tracks were tagged to be part of a compilation and appeared under "Various Artists" (or elsewhere), rather than where I thought they should have been. Re-tagging sorted them.
Also +1 for burning a copy of the CD then re-ripping - that worked for me on "ZZ Top Greatest Hits" - which otherwise refused to rip on my HDX.
I hoped that blythe's straightforward scenario that the tracks are hiding elsewhere might be the case. Nothing untoward was in the Various Artists folder, so it looks like a rip, burn and re-rip job tonight.
Looking for the tracks by song name brought up a new question. N-serve has the Track Search button - where is this in the Naim App? The magnifying glass finds artists or album names as you type - is there a way to search for song names?
I've noticed the ripping monitor in the Mac OS X version of N- Serve, but not on my iPad. Am I just being dumb or is it tucked away somewhere less obvious?? I'll be interested to see what it tells you.
It's easy to find. You expose the index on the left hand side of the albums screen, by touching the three horizontal lines icon in the top left corner of your iPad (when it's in landscape mode) and then "ripping" is almost the bottom option on the list which is revealed.
Now with the n-serve app in front of me and it looking at my US, the three little lines icon is on the bottom left of the screen, not the top left, but hopefully you found it anyway.
Looking for the tracks by song name brought up a new question. N-serve has the Track Search button - where is this in the Naim App? The magnifying glass finds artists or album names as you type - is there a way to search for song names?
If you have UPnP Settings > Allowable Music Views > Tracks enabled on your Unitiserve, you'll see a folder called 'Tracks' on the Naim app UPnP input. You can then use the search facility, although, being an alphabetical list, you no longer need to.
The error count could be interesting. I haven't spotted any reported yet during a rip. Is an error a failure to read a 'bit perfect' image or are there different types or error?? A decent bit a documentation would be useful!!
The error count could be interesting. I haven't spotted any reported yet during a rip. Is an error a failure to read a 'bit perfect' image or are there different types or error?? A decent bit a documentation would be useful!!
Chris SU - thanks, I suspect I need to change the settings this evening.
The error count could be interesting. I haven't spotted any reported yet during a rip. Is an error a failure to read a 'bit perfect' image or are there different types or error?? A decent bit a documentation would be useful!!
The only time I ever see anything against the errors count is when it tries to rip a track and fails. So a failed track is one error and two failed tracks show as two errors. So apparently there is no non-fatal error......
If you have UPnP Settings > Allowable Music Views > Tracks enabled on your Unitiserve, you'll see a folder called 'Tracks' on the Naim app UPnP input. You can then use the search facility, although, being an alphabetical list, you no longer need to.
Where are UPNP strings found? In N-serve I can only see: Select Server; Connection; Other Settings; About. None of these offer UPNP settings for the Unitiserve.
If you have UPnP Settings > Allowable Music Views > Tracks enabled on your Unitiserve, you'll see a folder called 'Tracks' on the Naim app UPnP input. You can then use the search facility, although, being an alphabetical list, you no longer need to.
Where are UPNP strings found? In N-serve I can only see: Select Server; Connection; Other Settings; About. None of these offer UPNP settings for the Unitiserve.
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This is in n-serve for Mac - I assume it's the same in the desktop client if you use a PC.
Chris
I think Mike is asking about the naim app, not n-serve for Mac or the Windows DTC.
I can search for tracks in the n-serve app for IOS no problem, but I don't think there is a way to search for tracks in the naim app (ie formerly known as n-stream.). Maybe someone else has found a way?
best
David
David Hendon:
If you follow Chris' instructions on the n-serve for MAC (change the False to true) then a folder appears in the NAIM app on iOS called "Tracks" .. it's listed with all the other nice groupings: Genres, Composers, Conductors etc.,