First Time Hearing the Statement!

I wonder if you can shut down those ugly ligthning on the otherwise magnificent Statement?

what did you think about the performance of the Statement system?

enjoy

enjoy..

/ken

ken c posted:

what did you think about the performance of the Statement system?

enjoy

enjoy..

/ken

Yes, I did enjoy the Statement, to say the least!  But Remember I'm an Active fan. 

The most expensive high end gear I listen to is from the local Linn Dealer, now Linn amps are quiet, but don't seam to swing like Tri 250's.  Otherwise my Tri amp Brik System put most hi fi gear I listen to shame!  I would love to hear DB's or Graham's System to Compare with a Passive Statement mono blocks.

Sound wise, Ok I will give it a try.  From the Forum I learned the adjective, Inky Darkness, well kind of but I'm a real precise kind of guy, and mentioned  that I could hear the  amps, well I was right on point, they explained that the electrical system was not all that, being in an Industrial area.  However, it was quite Quiet!  

But I'm the kind of guy that listens to his Speakers 2mm away to see if I can hear the amps!  Speaking of the Speakers, well they were not the most impressive looking speakers, but I can't say anything bad about them. I would imagine the design had a lot to do with linear construct to keep everything in sink, And the Woofer kind of resembled an Isobarik side firing system, that was quick and smooth.  

But when David kicked it up, the Bass was extremely impressive to say the least!  But repeat, the Statement was quiet, even in an Industrial area.  But once again  I was really impressed with the build quality of the Full Loom, and could only imagine, how it would be necessary to squeeze the most out of one's System!  

Well, I now know what the Mono Blocks can do with an award winning Speaker, Great Fast hard hitting Bass, Clear, Clean high frequencies that was not harsh in any way, and a smooth transitional  Mid range that transmitted life like vocals! 

Well that the most I can give you Ken!  Just can't describe Sound qualities like DB! 

Not inky darkness - it's inky blackness! It's not about the sound of the amps themselves, but how the music emerges from a totally silent background. It's one of those rather meaningless terms loved by reviewers, but in the case of the 250DR it's actually a rather apt description. And with the SL speaker cables it's like the system is almost not there - the DR amps and SL speaker cables do work extraordinarily well together, even at the modest level of my system. 

Fred ugly lighting - not to me - but yes it's all controllable 

Here we go again! I thought this chap had just promised to stay in the music room

Paul Stephenson posted:

Fred ugly lighting - not to me - but yes it's all controllable 

Thanks. That's a relief. 

I heard a Statement recently with NDS , 2x552 power supplies and Ovator 800s, and of course it sounded wonderful. But also it was reassuring to note that the Naim family sound, at it apogee with the Statement, is still present in more humble gear. Going back to my 272/250DR ,Ovator 400s there was a similar musicality and enjoyment , albeit on a smaller scale, and my middling system did not sound "broken" at all. I am content.

Hungryhalibut posted:

Not inky darkness - it's inky blackness! It's not about the sound of the amps themselves, but how the music emerges from a totally silent background. It's one of those rather meaningless terms loved by reviewers, but in the case of the 250DR it's actually a rather apt description. And with the SL speaker cables it's like the system is almost not there - the DR amps and SL speaker cables do work extraordinarily well together, even at the modest level of my system. 

Thanks HH, blackness, not darkness,  you can tell I'm a Newbie, anyone into hi fi know what we are looking for.  And you said it HH "" but how the music emerges from a totally silent background.""  But for a moment, Once Manu had finished explaining the benefits of the SL Cable, I could sense that the System was on! In all my years of listening, I always liked quiet amps, or as HH, says silent background As if the System was not turned on!  

Linn Amps were quieter, perhaps due smaller transformers.  Anyone into Naim, is familiar with Noisy Transformers, Humming, etc... which can take away from a totally silent background! 

You all know what I mean, some times you can walk by your system and its so quiet, you can't tell if the system is on. And other times you definitlly know its on, depending on what time of day it is. For Some reason my System performs best on Sundays, In fact, she was in rare form today, loose wires, not touching the floor, even tried some bubble wrap, what the heck can't hurt, but the Briks were singing Today! 

Merry Christmas to all! 

Weird stuff guys.  I would not recommend listening at a 2mm distance with my system right now.  Hang on, let me just try it.....Hmm, that wasn't so bad.  What?......What?.....Speak up for..............Popular auction site listing in progress.

SongStream posted:

Weird stuff guys.  I would not recommend listening at a 2mm distance with my system right now.  Hang on, let me just try it.....Hmm, that wasn't so bad.  What?......What?.....Speak up for..............Popular auction site listing in progress.

Yes ideally the speakers would have to be only 2mm apart. It would be like listening in mono. 

George might approve apart from the listening distance.

SongStream posted:

Weird stuff guys.  I would not recommend listening at a 2mm distance with my system right now.  Hang on, let me just try it.....Hmm, that wasn't so bad.  What?......What?.....Speak up for..............Popular auction site listing in progress.

2mm from the tweeter on top, 2mm from the tweeter and mids firing forward, etc.... with the Volume turned all the way down! Like HH said, "And with the SL speaker cables it's like the system is almost not there" , or as if the system was not turned on, you Naimee's know what we,re talking here!!!! Adjectives like, Clear, Clean, Fast, Tight, I like Fast Hard Hitting Bass, and Inky Blackness!

And Amps that don't Hum!!!!! 

Are you suggesting that the Statement doesn't hiss at all when idle?  If so, I'll order one tomorrow; it's such an annoyance every time my ears pass within 2mm of the speaker drive units.

I don't think my amp hums, but there's generally too much other din going on to tell.  

SongStream posted:

Are you suggesting that the Statement doesn't hiss at all when idle?  If so, I'll order one tomorrow; it's such an annoyance every time my ears pass within 2mm of the speaker drive units.

I don't think my amp hums, but there's generally too much other din going on to tell.  

 

''Sound wise, Ok I will give it a try.  From the Forum I learned the adjective, Inky Darkness, well kind of but I'm a real precise kind of guy, and mentioned  that I could hear the  amps, well I was right on point, they explained that the electrical system was not all that, being in an Industrial area.  However, it was quite Quiet!  ""

Repeat, what I'm saying is when I mentioned I could hear the Amp at the Seminar, David the  owner, and Manu replied it was due to the Industrial area which the shop was located. However, since it was Friday evening 6:00 -9:00 it wasn't bad!

Forgive my English, but am I clear?

I heard the Amps and the Owner and the Esteem Manu confirmed my findings.

But don't let that stop you going out tomorrow, and purchasing a $240K USD S1 Pre & Mono Blocks! LOL funny!

......and to be picky ( oh, how unusual) its the Vivid Giya G3.  The Giya series are of equal quality but are sized to match the room size. G1 being the big brother.  Vivid speakers do proper bass without distortion. Its very clean, hence the impression its lacking. Its not, as i think the OP realised.

fred40 posted:

I wonder if you can shut down those ugly ligthning on the otherwise magnificent Statement?

Yes, you can change the brightness or even turn off the lighting in the Statement acrylic blocks.

Paul Stephenson posted:

Fred ugly lighting - not to me - but yes it's all controllable 

I'm with you on that one Paul.   

Although in a dimly lit room the default brightness is rather high.  I dimmed mine slightly.

i am just curios, if a blind test would have been conducted, with a more common Naim gear range, let's say a 282/250 or 272/250 or 252/300, and without knowing the price difference, how many would have spot a huge difference?

sometimes with hear more with our brains than with our ears.

i'm sure statement amps are good but that (200k) good?

if Naim will sell the estimated number of amps, then it must be that good, then!

to me it seems more like a lifestyle product, aimed for those who actually cannot sit in a 7 figure house and drive a 6 figure car and wear a 5 figure watch and not have a 200k amp!

let's not forget, Naim is - probably - the most clever seller in the hifi business...

and to me, making a good sounding amp at 200k is piece of cake, the real challenge is to make a very good amp at a fraction of this price! and they did, the new 200 and 250 DR amps prove just that. but i guess they needed more, the few cost-no-object fans to welcome some Naim badged products into their homes...

business, business...

and no, i haven't heard no Statement product yet... and i'm not really sure that i'm looking forward to! the new 300DR would suffice.

I had a bit of a negative reaction, when the statement came out. I can't afford one.

But now that the trickle down has come to the 250DR/300DR and 500DR, I am quite happy.

After hearing what 282/HCDR/250DR is capable of, I think Naim got it right with 272/250DR, does anyone really need more than this? (personally the 552DR/500DR is a lot more interesting now to me )

Recently someone posted that although the statement is fantastic, his 272/250DR sounded fine and not broken, and both statement and his 272/250DR have the Naim family sound. 

Whether the statement is 200K  and worth it isn't the point.  The point is that it will drive any speaker on the planet for those can afford such things.

And those who cannot well we can still have a slice of it in the new DR amps.

Naim do not only make the statement. 

They also make the the UQ, and when paired with compatible speakers like ATC SCM 11 (see Jon Honeyball post on this) or Neat Iota, you don't really need much more than this combo.

or the Mu-so for that matter.

I don't see any issue at all with the statement.

Naim will always be a bit of a luxury product, just like BMW and Mercedes. And why not?

I haven't made nor will I make an effort to hear the statement, because anyway, my 282/HCDR/200 ticked all the boxes for me, and 282/HCDR/250DR is just more music and  fun, happy to be in both these places. But of course the 250DR is so much better than the 200. . 

Without Statement I probably wouldn't have a 250DR with the new 009 transistors, and I wouldn't have my SL speaker wires. Both of these are stunning products that really up the ante for what performance can be delivered by a mid range system. So on that basis I benefit from Statement even though I can't afford, and don't want, the amps themselves. 

Usually, but not always, there's a relationship between price and quality!
But 1 horsepower of raw power pumped into a relatively inexpensive 40K pair of Speakers, trust me Blind test all day, you will notice an appreciable difference!
Repeat, I never heard Naim gear above 300 classic range. Correct me if wrong but if one earned 50K a year for a period of 20 years that's only a Million dollars. Disposable Income after taxes, perhaps $700,000, and we're talking $350,000 for an Hi Fi Rig, of  Course it's Kick As...
But if you ever have the opportunity, give it a listen!
Don't get me wrong my: gear sounds Great, But this Statement is a different League.
Never heard Krell either, but they have an $150,000 1000 watts reference Amp!
Naim had to make a Statement!
We're lucky to get the trickle down technology!
And for those that can afford Statement/500 Series they're truly Blessed!

But for Me, back to reality: Merry Christmas to All

i'm not saying that this product shouldn't exist... it is just that i am feeling that sound quality wasn't the ultimate goal for it...

as for the technology used in Statement similar to the one in 250DR... is kind of a nonsense on the way... IF the technology is available in a 5k amp and in 200k amp, then... what's the point in asking 40 (forty) times more for (the same tech) product?

is either not the same (and in it's most relevant parts) if the difference in sound is really huge, either is a small difference and the cost is artificially pumped up.

if the Krell amp existed at 150k, then... ok, Naim had to produce something more expensive, i agree. does it really matter how it sounds?

that's the thing, that at this price point, it does not!

(and i still wait for that fabulous combo of Statement preamp and NAP100... source first, remember?! and on a maximum 500 quid bookshelf speakers... cause we all know, speakers really don't matter when you have a good preamp)

Cat, of course sound quality was the ultimate goal.  Surely you know Naim better by now???  That's always the goal - top of the list is performance, whether it's a Unitiqute or a Statement amp. Performance is what it's ALL about. Which is why Naim often does things in a way that others think is not commercially wise, or a bit odd, like using DINs and not paralleling output devices for easy extra power.  In short, Naim doesn't do cynical...

Believe it or not - even at the current US retail price, the Statement pre / pair of mono power amps combo is still not expensive enough for those with deep pockets to take it seriously as a status symbol - so I'd probably lean toward the notion that its origins lie in sound quality first, and extravagance a distant second, if that.

catalinmetal posted:

 

(and i still wait for that fabulous combo of Statement preamp and NAP100... source first, remember?! and on a maximum 500 quid bookshelf speakers... cause we all know, speakers really don't matter when you have a good preamp)

Catalin have you confused preamp and source despite having electronics degree ?