I have sold all my Naim.

To the OP - you do seem to have had a catalogue of bad luck.  I can honestly say in 10 years of ownership in which I've had 2 CDPs, a tuner and range of amps etc I've never had one single fault 

And also in that time I've found the dealers and on the few occasions I've had to talk to the staff at the factory all exceptionally helpful. 

Wow. This is still going! Sweet.

I'll admit it, I've got a needle in my arm. It's there right now. It has this glowing green liquid in it and I see angels when it plays, so don't you mess with my dealer, he makes my dreams less scary.

Now that I got that off my chest, to the OP: Even the LED plastic pumpkins I put on the porch for Halloween work 19 times out of 20. NOTHING is that failure prone! I hope you bought your Rega from a different dealer. If you did and the Rega works, do the rest of your Naim friends a favor and report the Naim dealer to Naim. They'll hire me, I'll bring a meter of NACA5 to your dealer's place and the problem won't happen anymore. Simple stuff.

Oh, one more thing: if the Rega gear doesn't work either, then you have to stop using a generator for mains power. It's also affecting your spellchecker.

There's a thought, Clemenza !  You don't suppose there's a mains supply problem lurking in the background, do you? 

I had a 'genset' (mains generator) running for a while when my new house was being built, but although I ran a laptop computer off it (and lighting, of course), I never contemplated plugging my Naim kit into it.  But then us folks in the UK are pretty lucky - our mains supply, for the most part, is reasonably stable (albeit, it causes transformer hum in my setup)... certainly far better than having to rely on a genset all the time. 

BTW, I didn't find that running my laptop with a generator affected its spell checker adversely... this may only happen with the US language version of Windows ?

Excuse me OP, for jumping in I hope you won't mind. 

RJ, just curious, have you ever considered wonky Bi Amping your speakers, and by passing the link wires all together! 

B & W Manual

“”There are two pairs of terminals at the back of each speaker that enable bi-wiring (left). For conventional, single wire connection, fit the supplied link wires to join the like polarity terminals together (right). 

Note: Bi-wiring separates the signal paths to each section of the speaker and can improve both stereo imaging and detail resolution. It also enables the use of different types of cable for each frequency band.

Bi-amplification goes a stage further and involves the use of two independent power amplifier channels for each speaker. This is not the same as a fully “active” drive as the speaker's internal passive crossover is still used. If bi-amplification is employed, ensure that each amplifier channel has the same gain, otherwise the speaker’s tonal balance will be distorted.””

500 & 300, I bet those babys will sing! 

I don't have spell check either!

Allante93 posted:

Excuse me OP, for jumping in I hope you won't mind. 

RJ, just curious, have you ever considered wonky Bi Amping your speakers, and by passing the link wires all together! 

B & W Manual

“”There are two pairs of terminals at the back of each speaker that enable bi-wiring (left). For conventional, single wire connection, fit the supplied link wires to join the like polarity terminals together (right). 

Note: Bi-wiring separates the signal paths to each section of the speaker and can improve both stereo imaging and detail resolution. It also enables the use of different types of cable for each frequency band.

Bi-amplification goes a stage further and involves the use of two independent power amplifier channels for each speaker. This is not the same as a fully “active” drive as the speaker's internal passive crossover is still used. If bi-amplification is employed, ensure that each amplifier channel has the same gain, otherwise the speaker’s tonal balance will be distorted.””

500 & 300, I bet those babys will sing! 

I don't have spell check either!

Thanks for the thought Allante93, the answer is 'yes, I've thought about bi-amping', however the first NAP500 is still mostly owned by a credit card company (albeit interest free  , and a second at this point in time would be too much for SWMBO (and me) to bear.  Having said that, I have been watching my dealer taking in (part ex) and selling on non-DR NAP300s, and I have been contemplating the idea of investing in one of these.  I'm just not sure about whether the second amp will bring the kind of improvement that will justify the expenditure.   Any thoughts on the 500/300 bi amp setup welcomed, of course.

So then one considers bi-wiring... with NAC05, it's one thing, with 5m of S/L its a whole other thing (almost as much as a used 300 ! ) 

And I was hoping the new year would be a peaceful one, devoid of the stress of upgradeitis 

Oh, and my apologies too to OP for hijacking his original thread...

Hi Roger,

Season's greetings. Before buying a 300 to bi-amp with the 500 have a listen to it in your system first. There is a slight difference in gain between the 500 and 300 which may be noticeable. 

ATB

Steve

Sorry: It has nothing to do with the dealer. It is not the dealer who has broken the Naim system i had. Naim is bad manufacturet like a Jaguar E type. Thats the problem. I am sure, that there are many other Naim customers, that have similar problems. Maby they don't  dare to write about it in this forum.? 

Have Rega got a forum?

C.

mp-w posted:

... It is not the dealer who has broken the Naim system i had. Naim is bad manufacturet like a Jaguar E type.

A-ha! So you at last admit you broke it. I broke my E-type Jag when I crashed it head-on into my Alfa Spyder, I should never have taken them out of the packaging.

Yes troll is right. Like the out-laws at xmas, I think MP-W may have over stayed his welcome.

This thread is becoming ridiculous. It's time it went. The OP thinks Naim is shit. And?

It is fine for the OP to raise his/her apparent complaint here, though to do so without giving full details of the actual problems experienced, time line etc, is singularly unhelpful. Perhaps to rebut allegations of being a troll he/she might yet do so, and at least let us try to,understand the reason for the post.

Otherwise What perhaps should be of concern is what he/she may be saying in other fora. 

Agree with HH.

Let's close the case. Another one bites the dust....

mp-w posted:

Sorry: It has nothing to do with the dealer. It is not the dealer who has broken the Naim system i had. Naim is bad manufacturet like a Jaguar E type. Thats the problem. I am sure, that there are many other Naim customers, that have similar problems. Maby they don't  dare to write about it in this forum.? 

I cannot agree that Naim is a poor manufacturer. In reality they are a splendid company that often moves mountains to help customers with this difficulty or that. Their service department is legendary.

It is quite possible that a person may have a bad experience with Naim, but it is not possible to conclude that this unfortunate individual is representative of most Naim customers. If I wrote about the good things that service department have done for me, then that is just another case! In the other direction, but such personal experiences don’t paint the big picture. Naim can and do service some or their earliest models even today more than forty years after introduction. 

I can give Naim my vote of confidence now as also an ex-Naim owner! Thus I could have no possible vested interest in this, apart from wanting to see fair play. You may say why I am no longer a Naim owner? Quite simple. As a person of modest means, I think I had to look to the future when I am older and retired and unable to afford the fifteen year servicing costs! 

Naim has never been inexpensive, but it has always been very well designed, and built, and when the occasional problem occurs is famous for correcting the fault, and offering every assistance to the customer. 

In my life I have found that if I want to get things done my way - such as help from a retailer and manufacturer for one example - it is better to be entirely straight forward, be firm but also be understanding. When this is done the result is usually a most helpful response, and with Naim is guaranteed to get the result the customer wants.

As I say, now that I have very little replay equipment at all beyond a pair of cheap headphone and a MAC computer fitted with iTunes, I have no particular reason to be defensive of Naim, but I certainly will  ... given not only my experience of the company but also of every single person that I know who has also had dealings with the company.

Best wishes from George

VERY well put George & I'm sure most of the forum will agree

- but it really is time this thread was shut down ....... 

After an intensive Christmas period, HH, I find this thread illuminating on several fronts, not least of which the difference in gain between the 300 & 500 power amps.  I'm hoping, too, that we get to discuss the combination of S/L and NAC05 in a bi-amped system... or am I being selfish in pursuing the things that are of special interest to me right at the moment ? (suspect answer = yes).

Of equal interest is the fact that our OP really has had the most dreadful bad luck with his Naim hardware, and the ensuing speculation about possible reasons... mains supply problems, dealer support (or lack of)... and even the effect on his spell checker.  IMHO all interesting stuff in this post Christmas doldrum period.

And talking of post Christmas lulls,  does anyone have a dealer whose practice it is to have a Sale at this time of year?  Several discussions with my own dealer over the past years have yielded nothing by way of a substantial price reduction, but I guess this is going to be more likely to happen with a dealer who holds stock of 'previously loved' (i.e. second hand) equipment ? (which mine generally doesn't.)

Roger 

Well I think this post is much like all the attention that Donald Trump, that goofy republican presidential candidate is getting over here in The Colonies. I'm sure you've all heard of Donald Trump by now. Just as I can't understand why The Donald is getting so much attention, I can't understand why this post has lasted so long....

And I think I'll keep my Black Stack o' Naim..I've grown quite fond of it. 

Tom

Mike-B posted:

Yes they have  .......  http://www - dot - vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/index.php

Looks like they might be getting a small minded deluded troll like creature as well

I don't appear to be able to connect with that site. And Rega don't appear to have a link within their website ?

Hungryhalibut posted:

This thread is becoming ridiculous. It's time it went. The OP thinks Naim is shit. And?

Oh come on Nigel. Let him have his 15 minutes of fame !

Hungryhalibut posted:

Sorry but no. It's boring. For some reason it's the top thread recently. All very odd. But enough's enough. Just **** off. 

Seriously, if anybody finds it boring, then just ignore it - it's not difficult.

By all means suggest it should be stopped, but by doing so remember, you are simply adding to the "reply" count !

I find the strength of feeling in the various replies entertaining in their own right.

Fair enough. 

BTW Nigel, where does Hoopla post "Top Thread" ?

That's my unscientific analysis. 149 posts in only a few days. Perhaps it's easier to be negative than positive?

150.