Mu-so Qb

So buy the Sonos. 

Looks mint! 

Would make a great desktop PC speaker.

I'd be tempted but I think £595 is too much.  I will probably just buy another Mu-so.

But the muso is even more.

Looks great for small spaces but If it really is b/g wifi only then that's really short-sighted. Running b/g devices on n or ac capable routers cripples overall performance. If I were to use a Qb on my 2.4Ghz network it would be the only b/g device and would therefore affect every other device connected when streaming or doing any other receiving or transmitting. Smallnetbuilder says running "legacy" devices like this can reduce throughput by 50-80%!

Nice naim for my toilet

Hungryhalibut posted:

So buy the Sonos. 

Please don't tell me what to do.

ChrisH posted:

Suspected it would be a mini Muso, but Qb is not quite the shape I was expecting.

Will be interested to see the dimensions to see if it will actually fit in the alotted space in my kitchen!

(as you say Rackit, the mu-so is too big for people with small houses like mine!)

 

Hi Chris, Mu-so Qb measures 210mm x 218mm x 212mm

Yes, I know the Mu-so is more but I am assuming that the better sound quality makes up for that.  The qb is too expensive for a bathroom but maybe OK for our kitchen but the WiFi is a bit of a worry.

Sloop John B posted:

intothevoid posted:

Just seen the price! £595!! 

and another £500 for the powerline

It looks good, I may have to find a reason to buy one!

SJB

I guess one reason is, in fact, that it looks good! Another reason why I might consider buying one is to test the Naim app. I have anyway a UPnP server running on a Raspberry Pi and the Muso is too big for the kitchen. The Qb would be a great opportunity to test if the Naim app works better for my wife than MPaD.  

I got the slight impresion that naim Doesn"t care about sound anymore.   As long iit looks shiny and snug naim is satisfied. 

Nice! Could well be after one for upstairs

fred40 posted:

I got the slight impresion that naim Doesn"t care about sound anymore.   As long iit looks shiny and snug naim is satisfied. 

I cannot imagine from where you got that idea!

In my view Naim has been a company that consistently has improved its range as each successive version is sonically superior the the model replaced!

ATB from George

fred40 posted:

I got the slight impresion that naim Doesn"t care about sound anymore.   As long iit looks shiny and snug naim is satisfied. 

Well, the Super Lumina also look a bit shiny and snug but seem to have quite a positive impact on the sound quality. I do not very much like the Muso and Qb style but for the kitchen they are acceptable, I think. Also it's good if they sell but we do not have to buy them, do we? 

Ideal for the kids rooms.

I wonder if a couple of Qb's can be setup as individual channels for stereo.

fred40 posted:

I got the slight impresion that naim Doesn"t care about sound anymore.   As long iit looks shiny and snug naim is satisfied. 

Those were my thoughts too when we had the mu-so for evaluation. They were quickly laid to rest after a few minutes of listening. The mu-so is huge fun ! The one thing that Naim hasn't compromised on so far is engagement with the music. The sound of the mu-so departs from previous Naim gear in the rolled-off treble, something which I'm sure could be fixed though through firmware.

fred40 posted:

I got the slight impresion that naim Doesn"t care about sound anymore.   As long iit looks shiny and snug naim is satisfied. 

Yes, it was the same with that shiny Statement and trendy cables, no commitment at all nowadays

I owned two Musos recently. The sound was not Anything near Naim used to make It's ok,for muzak. With High-end the muso has nothing to do.

I am asking myself how this fits into the overall portfolio, as it's close to a Muso - so what is the customer base going to be, how will it compare to the Muso etc....

Still big question marks....

fred40 posted:

I owned two Musos recently. The sound was not Anything near Naim used to make It's ok,for muzak. With High-end the muso has nothing to do.

I agree with your observation Fred, but I think the muso isn't supposed to be considered as 'high end' (whatever that is supposed to mean)

Regards,

Michel

I took my friend to my dealers in December, he left the shop with a Muso.  It is his first ever 'hifi' product and replaced a sonos.  He and his family would never consider buying black Naim boxed but this product, which he thought sounded brilliant, fits their lifestyle. I will be surprised if he doesn't buy one of these for his kitchen and not too surprised if he drifts into higher end Naim products down the line.  Without the Muso he would never have become a Naim customer and there are far more people like him than like the majority on this forum.  If Naim want to survive in the future it needs the modern equivalent of the starter hifi or it will surely die out with its current user base.  As long as they keep making oter high end products I think this is a very sensible way of accessing a market that would have passed them by.

Could

 be just the thing for our kitchen and or study if it out performs our B&O Zeppelin.

Richard

There are a lot of companies making wireless speakers these days. I'm impressed Naim has the balls to join them. Natural competitors would seem to be things like the Bowers & Wilkins Zeppelin Wireless, A5 and A7.

Of the numerous wireless devices I use, only 1 runs on the 2.4GHz band, an old model Chromecast. Everything else is 5GHz. And that's a good thing, as I live in a flat and the 2.4 band is congested and can be a bit unreliable.

Given that an important part of the QB's target market will be slightly less affluent people like me who are more likely to live in flats than the kind of houses you could stick DBLs in, surely it's a blurb oversight, and the QB can do at least wireless n?

FWIW I think it needed to be sub-£500 to differentiate it from the original muso and to grab buyers. But I'm sure it's just lovely, and hope it sells well.