Packaging

Very odd. It would cause me to worry about provenance and the care shown by the current owners.

M 

My thoughts precisely MDS.

Mark, What's going on? You've got 282/ HC/ 250 IIRC.

C.

There are many reasons why someone might dispose of their boxes. My mum came over one afternoon to clean my attic. She could not understand why I had a collection of empty boxes. 

I don't have boxes for everything. I bought a HC a few years ago. I threw away the box because I thought I was going to keep it indefinitely. Someone once asked me for a discount because there was a slight dent in the box. I asked them whether they were buying the amp or the box. I suppose there are some people that like to admire boxes. Each to their own

Question of storage space. Keep all packaging from every HiFi black or other Colour box - space needed is more than space occupied by system. Add same for cameras, lenses, TV, projecrptor, surround sound, computer, printer, scanner, kitchen equipment ... The list is endless, space is not. Many people I think keep boxes only until warranty ends, warranty often requiring original box. 

Me, I keep boxes for significant hints I recognise I might want to sell or return to manufacturer, then it goes. Have had to construct makeshift packaging out of hardboard to protect speakers from removal companies on several occasion, but never had the boxes, and if I did I'd have had no space to keep.

missing boxes on 5-6 year old gear doesn't challenge provenance, just space availability and perhaps feng shui tendencies.

All my boxes and packaging are in the loft.  When I sold my Qute 2 it arrived at the new owner in exactly the same condition it arrived to me, with all of its packaging, manuals and paperwork.  For a high value Naim item five years old I would expect the same really

It's funny isn't it, I have kept many boxes which I store in the roof. God Forbid I get a spark up there! I renovated my bathroom last year, my wife hassled me to keep the bath even though we never use it and it's size suits a 5 year old, "just in case we sell" she said. To me it's a strange way to live, the old adage "we might need it" rings too true in my family considering my father in law is a full blown hoarder.

Ask your dealer the price for replacement boxes and you might suddenly consider keeping them - if you have the space of course. 

My used SL2 speakers didn't have the original boxes and they're no longer available. I did ask Naim how much they were at the time - well over £300 (can't remember the exact price) but now i wish i'd taken the plunge as they've become classic speakers. 

Persuading others of the need to keep the box - almost by definition shortly after the arrival of another not-necessarily understood black box/apparent replacement of one pair of functioning speakers with another - can be quite tricky. 

I've managed to secure permission to make an exception for Naim ones given the residuals, but not a hope for speakers/AVR/TV etc

If you live in a small house with little storage it may be that there is simply insufficient storage space. It has no connection to whether the equipment itself has been well cared for. That said, boxless equipment will usually sell for a lower price. 

We always suggest that customers hold onto their boxes, especially for the short term in case of warranty issues. But where space is a premium (not everyone has a loft), then why not let the boxes go. One customer of ours, who has next to no storage space, kept three of the boxes from the 11 items we supplied, asking us to make best use of the others. Thankfully they came in very useful for moving on his traded in gear as that didn't have boxes either!!!

Personally, I have always kept the boxes for my own kit. But that's as much a personal choice as anything else - and I have a loft.

And what about us retailers who have to keep boxes for every piece of demo kit we hold. We ran out of space initially so had to rent another part of the building for this very purpose.

Tony

It's the only product I have in the house of which I always will keep the boxes. This has been proven practical with upgrades. But I have to also be honest - I do have space enough to store the boxes. So I understand others who out of that reason ditch the boxes.

No storage space in a London apartment 

I'd hate to store a full Statement box(es)!

I imagine if you can afford a Statement system you probably have room in one of your houses for the boxes!  

Useful for kindling.

My attitude towards keeping or storing unnecessary anything is somewhat of a mystery to my significant other.   I hate keeping anything paper or cardboard thats either not needed or plain simple junk.  'erself on the other hand will file letters along with the envelopes,  is able to product utility bills dated 1970 something,   & as for her e-mail inbox,  its an absolute nightmare.  

I needed to completely empty the attic to allow men with new insulation to do their work,  this was an opportunity to de-clutter & the negotiations involved took days rather than hours.  The only things that went back were the Naim boxes  ............  that part of the negotiations is still beyond understanding.  

Noogle posted:

I imagine if you can afford a Statement system you probably have room in one of your houses for the boxes!  

You could put them in the garden and let them out as a three room gite.  

Chucked every last box as soon as each item had been running for a week.

Truly painful since I had been the type to keep every box, manual bag and cable tie. But you lose that habit very quickly in an apartment without enough room to swing a cat.

This month, my 250.2 will be making a 6000 mile trip back to Naim for DRing in improvised packaging.

It is always a good ideal to keep the box for furture use (to return, to sell etc) but these days, houses have increasingly become so small that "keeping boxes" takes a lot of justification. 

Perhaps in future we will have boxes and foams which we can collapse for storage and rebuild easily when needed?

Mark, What's going on? You've got 282/ HC/ 250 IIRC.

Chris,

I've got a Snaxo 2-4 and spare NACA5 knocking around so I'm toying with the idea of taking my IBL's active. Given the price of 250/2 on the 2nd hand market at the moment it feels like a good time. One came up local to me about 4-5 years old but didn't have the original packaging. I get the need to discard boxes where space is at a premium but personally I feel more confident in the goods if they have their original packaging. Also they will probably get sold on at some point, or go back to Naim for servicing/upgrade so the original boxes will definitely come in useful either way.

Your dealer can supply replacement Naim packaging.  

Marksnaim posted:

Mark, What's going on? You've got 282/ HC/ 250 IIRC.

 

Chris,

I've got a Snaxo 2-4 and spare NACA5 knocking around so I'm toying with the idea of taking my IBL's active. Given the price of 250/2 on the 2nd hand market at the moment it feels like a good time. One came up local to me about 4-5 years old but didn't have the original packaging. I get the need to discard boxes where space is at a premium but personally I feel more confident in the goods if they have their original packaging. Also they will probably get sold on at some point, or go back to Naim for servicing/upgrade so the original boxes will definitely come in useful either way.

 

Thanks Mark, so if I've understood all you need from this offered box-less set is the NAP250? The whole active thing is totally beyond my experience but I know from this place that those who love it won't countenance anything else.

C.

Actually I'd need another hicap to power the Snaxo also. Active systems are a bit of a box fest but the results are fantastic. It's not a cheap option of course. Many moons ago I ran Isobariks with 3 nap 250's. The change from passive to active on Isobariks is astounding. I did run my IBL's active for a short time using 2 nap 180's and an IXO which was a short production life powered active cross over. I think it was out around the time of the Credo and shared the Nait 3 style casework. Although the IXO was subject to some serious hum issues when it was working properly it was like removing a heavy blanket from over the speakers compared to passive. In some respects I'd say it sounded better than my current 282/HCDR/250.2.

Marksnaim posted:

Active systems are a bit of a box fest but the results are fantastic. 

Ok, I know we are getting away a bit from cardboard now .... but you seem to be saying that it's preferable to 252 and SC-dr with a passive 250. 

Yours (in receptive, learning mode),

Chris