Packaging

Christopher_M posted:

Marksnaim posted:

Active systems are a bit of a box fest but the results are fantastic. 

Ok, I know we are getting away a bit from cardboard now .... but you seem to be saying that it's preferable to 252 and SC-dr with a passive 250. 

Yours (in receptive, learning mode),

Chris

Interesting one Chris. As I've not heard a 252/SCDR I couldn't really comment. But if I do get round to adding a second 250 and HCDR then I'll see if my dealer has a 252/SCDR he'd like to bring round for comparison some time. If that happens I'll report in a new thread. Of course adding another 250 and HCDR is considerably cheaper than a 252 and SCDR even with both being 2nd hand. It would be an interesting comparison though...Hmm... Steady on boy! A more even cost comparison might be active vs a 2nd hand non DR 300.

Noogle posted:

I imagine if you can afford a Statement system you probably have room in one of your houses for the boxes!  

Err, no.  Getting the preamp flight case into my loft was seriously hard work as it weighs about 40Kg.  However no practical way to move S1 any distance without it.  Given a standard Naim cardboard box is £75, I'm guessing the flight case is £500+, so no way was that going to be thrown out.

Richard Dane posted:

Your dealer can supply replacement Naim packaging.  

For a rather "healthy" price.

Re:Graham Clarke posted:

Noogle posted:

I imagine if you can afford a Statement system you probably have room in one of your houses for the boxes!  

Err, no.  Getting the preamp flight case into my loft was seriously hard work as it weighs about 40Kg.  However no practical way to move S1 any distance without it.  Given a standard Naim cardboard box is £75, I'm guessing the flight case is £500+, so no way was that going to be thrown out.

Re: the Statement  NAC and poweramps; Given that the packaging is so large and weighty it might preclude some people from being able to accomodate it. Just a suggestion, but why don't Naim keep a set of the cases at Salisbury. They could then be couriered (at a cost) to a customer in case of need i.e. servicing or relocation. Admitted it may only be practical in the UK.

p.s. Maybe keep a set in each country of sale with the distributor.

1. When components needs sending away for servicing or for repair:

2. When moving home - for journey in transit:

3. While storing 'keeper' un-used naim components for future use:

4. When the time has come to sell ones pre-loved naim component:

The naim components go back into the protection of the original box & packaging

Many buyers of pre-owned naim components will consider the omission of the box and packaging as a bit fishy and possible stolen property. It nearly always devalues the component on pre-owned market prices.

just my own 2 cents worth, which is a lot less than what the boxes and packaging will cost to replace : )

Debs

I always keep the boxes for any component of replay. I have packed the box of the HD 600s away ready for the day I need to move house or whatever.  Better than they get flattened in the move ...

I would be looking for a significant price reduction - buying second hand replay - if the original boxes were not available. 

You pay your money and take your choice about keeping original packing boxes, in the sense that it may make selling more difficult relative to the space they take up ...

I agree with Debs. Best wishes from George

Well, i still have my Hugo & MM boxes - theyre young. When i had Naim things I kept the boxes - bought young and sold still young. I hevent any other boxes at the moment - everything else old and in any case didnt come with boxes when I bought them! (and it's true, i probably got them a few quid cheaper than if they had boxes). When I had CD players I kept the boxes for their (10 year) life, possibly wise seeing that they were mechanical. (Bought new)

But then, i dont generally expect to change items in their service life, and if i do they'd mostly likely to be old - the exception was the ND5XS and XP5XS which were bought and sold young because it was while i was converting to streaming and finding the right player.

sheffieldgraham posted:

Re:Graham Clarke posted:

Noogle posted:

I imagine if you can afford a Statement system you probably have room in one of your houses for the boxes!  

Err, no.  Getting the preamp flight case into my loft was seriously hard work as it weighs about 40Kg.  However no practical way to move S1 any distance without it.  Given a standard Naim cardboard box is £75, I'm guessing the flight case is £500+, so no way was that going to be thrown out.

Re: the Statement  NAC and poweramps; Given that the packaging is so large and weighty it might preclude some people from being able to accomodate it. Just a suggestion, but why don't Naim keep a set of the cases at Salisbury. They could then be couriered (at a cost) to a customer in case of need i.e. servicing or relocation. Admitted it may only be practical in the UK.

p.s. Maybe keep a set in each country of sale with the distributor.

Well that would be over 300 flight cases by now.  That would take up a LOT of space and therefore money (have you seen the size of Naim's HQ?).  I think their reaction would be that this is the customer's responsibility and I would tend to agree!

I thought they only made about 12 a year. Have they really made 100 sets?

Graham Clarke posted:

sheffieldgraham posted:

Re:Graham Clarke posted:

Noogle posted:

I imagine if you can afford a Statement system you probably have room in one of your houses for the boxes!  

Err, no.  Getting the preamp flight case into my loft was seriously hard work as it weighs about 40Kg.  However no practical way to move S1 any distance without it.  Given a standard Naim cardboard box is £75, I'm guessing the flight case is £500+, so no way was that going to be thrown out.

Re: the Statement  NAC and poweramps; Given that the packaging is so large and weighty it might preclude some people from being able to accomodate it. Just a suggestion, but why don't Naim keep a set of the cases at Salisbury. They could then be couriered (at a cost) to a customer in case of need i.e. servicing or relocation. Admitted it may only be practical in the UK.

p.s. Maybe keep a set in each country of sale with the distributor.

Well that would be over 300 flight cases by now.  That would take up a LOT of space and therefore money (have you seen the size of Naim's HQ?).  I think their reaction would be that this is the customer's responsibility and I would tend to agree!

I wasn't suggesting they keep a box for every one sold. A strategic number yes. Can't see Statements requiring a service too often.

No room to spare for empty boxes! Besides, my dealer is of the right sort and have always offered first class service lending me their own boxes when needed.

Sigh... Is this still going....???   Only on the Internet....

I have all of my Naim boxes still, except for my 72 which I bought 2nd hand, 'boxless'. Shame....  I have boxes for all my other Pre Loved units though..!

Anyone who throws their boxes away, deserves to deal with the consequences. Included a reduced sale price when/if they sell or trade in. 

Mr Fjeld posted:

No room to spare for empty boxes! Besides, my dealer is of the right sort and have always offered first class service lending me their own boxes when needed.

That's the kind of service I was alluding to.

Good on your dealer.

ianrobertm posted:

Sigh... Is this still going....???   Only on the Internet....

With an attitude like that wouldn't it be better not to respond?

Anyone who throws their boxes away, deserves to deal with the consequences. Included a reduced sale price when/if they sell or trade in. 

If you don't sell or trade in then it's simply not relevant. Furthermore, it would be meaningless to keep the boxes if they take up valuable storage room. And when using words like "deserve" you make people seem stupid - yet you fail to see they are simply of a practical nature.

As long as one keeps the receipts and the equipment is serviced then there is no way anyone can think it's "fishy". Impractical if needed for sale or service perhaps, but not of questionable origin. It's not a rolex without box or papers after all...

Hungryhalibut posted:

I thought they only made about 12 a year. Have they really made 100 sets?

A lot more than 12.  I believe their first year target was something like 50 and they've exceeded it by 2-3x.

For a while I really couldn't keep my Boxes. We've a thatched roof and the insurance company wouldn't insure our contents if cardbard was stored in our loft and, given the amount of junk we have to keep elsewhere, there really wasn't anywhere practical to keep them.

A change in the insurance company's policy meant we could store the boxes up with the numerous spiders, but it's still a bit of a challenge accommodating the number of boxes that come with an active system, and particularly the massive DBL ones. The latter I've had to dissemble and locate them as flatpacks around the loft & garage. 

My Naim boxes are filling quite a space in the loft but worthwhile in the longterm. My 802 Diamond cases are with the dealer.

ianrobertm posted:

Anyone who throws their boxes away, deserves to deal with the consequences. Included a reduced sale price when/if they sell or trade in. 

I also find this particularly harsh and divorced from reality. I would keep them all if I could but here's the thing:

A 282 is a GBP 4K pre-amp. In a small (but rediculously expensive) London/Tokyo/New York/Hong Kong apartment, the space taken up by a flattented box and the foam packing is worth considerably more that the 282. You'd have to be nuts to keep the packaging.

Or find your inner zen and get creative.

Graham Clarke posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

I thought they only made about 12 a year. Have they really made 100 sets?

A lot more than 12.  I believe their first year target was something like 50 and they've exceeded it by 2-3x.

Graham, Surely having the S1 preamp has you chomping at the bit to get the whole package now! I reckon the tease would stir my OCD so much I's sell a kidney.

AussieSteve posted:

Graham Clarke posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

I thought they only made about 12 a year. Have they really made 100 sets?

A lot more than 12.  I believe their first year target was something like 50 and they've exceeded it by 2-3x.

Graham, Surely having the S1 preamp has you chomping at the bit to get the whole package now! I reckon the tease would stir my OCD so much I's sell a kidney.

At least the buyer wouldn't need to keep the packaging. 

tonym posted:

For a while I really couldn't keep my Boxes. We've a thatched roof and the insurance company wouldn't insure our contents if cardbard was stored in our loft and, given the amount of junk we have to keep elsewhere, there really wasn't anywhere practical to keep them.

A change in the insurance company's policy meant we could store the boxes up with the numerous spiders, but it's still a bit of a challenge accommodating the number of boxes that come with an active system, and particularly the massive DBL ones. The latter I've had to dissemble and locate them as flatpacks around the loft & garage. 

 

 

 

Do you keep fireworks, magnesium and distress flares in the loft now Tony?

AussieSteve posted:

Graham Clarke posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

I thought they only made about 12 a year. Have they really made 100 sets?

A lot more than 12.  I believe their first year target was something like 50 and they've exceeded it by 2-3x.

Graham, Surely having the S1 preamp has you chomping at the bit to get the whole package now! I reckon the tease would stir my OCD so much I's sell a kidney.

Well, no actually, for two reasons.  First is that I can't afford the two monoblocks.  Secondly, I wouldn't want to move away from active operation so I'd actually need 4 (or 6) rather than two. 

I guess I could sell my house but I'm not sure that Statement is waterproof or that it would do a good job keeping me warm in winter.