Super Lumina Din-Din 4-5 pin IC for Superline/Supercap. Will it ever be available?

thanks for the update Steve. it would be great to get a direct 'statement' from Naim Audio on this cable.

enjoy

ken

I have been eagerly waiting a 4-5 pin DIN for my Superline as well and was expecting something early this year.

Interesting that there may be some "technical incompatibility with the phono stage" as  I wonder what this could be or whether it is actually a SL cable issue as I am also hearing stories of a few (and I do mean a few) people becoming less convinced by the SL range after the initial euphoria of the product launch. 

I am not an electrical engineer but I imagine that for any phono stage (Superline or Urika for that matter) I imagine that there is an exceptionally low current, hence the IC needs to be just right and maybe for a phono stage the SL technology is exposing a weakness that it has? 

Richard

Richard the Urika works very well with my SL phono to 5 pin din cable. As the SL cable runs from the output stage of the Urika to the pre-amp the signal level is high.

perhaps Naim Audio will just surprise us and suddenly release this cable while we speculate on the project's demise? that would be great wouldn't it?

enjoy

ken

I wonder what the market size is for this cable?

Given that Naim has all but abandoned vinyl replay in favour of streaming, I wonder if this product is worthwhile as a business proposition.

Remember, Naim is no longer independent.

Michael posted:

Richard the Urika works very well with my SL phono to 5 pin din cable. As the SL cable runs from the output stage of the Urika to the pre-amp the signal level is high.

 

 

.. and i also thoght this 4-5 SL IC cable would also carry a high level signal from the Superline's Supercap to the pre-amp? 

enjoy

ken

Don Atkinson posted:

I wonder what the market size is for this cable?

Given that Naim has all but abandoned vinyl replay in favour of streaming, I wonder if this product is worthwhile as a business proposition.

Remember, Naim is no longer independent.

i wonder if this has anything to do with 'independence' Don. The cable was 'imminent' and then all went quiet.  so this suggests to me that R&D was already water under the bridge.

i recall visiting a dealer who was pushing me to change to a Radikal as Naim were about to discontinue the 'Geddon. This was at least 3 years or so ago. So the Geddon is dead -- long live the Geddon!

And i still have my Superline running an 'ordinary'  lavender 4-5 DIN 

enjoy

ken

Sorry to hi jack the thread..

But could anyone tell me how long the 'Geddon has been discontinued.

Around December 2015 I was thinking about changing my lingo and could not see it in the latest product list, emailed Naim who said it was no longer in production but did not say when production ceased and would like to know what is the latest I could find.

Regards Graham.

sorry you probably misread my post. The Armaggedon is still available as far as i know -- it was on the last Naim price list anyhow.

enjoy

ken

Don Atkinson posted:

I wonder what the market size is for this cable?

Given that Naim has all but abandoned vinyl replay in favour of streaming, I wonder if this product is worthwhile as a business proposition.

Remember, Naim is no longer independent.

That argument doesn't hold Don as Naim still produce the 'reference phono stage', the Superline. 

I think it must be the technical issue I mentioned in the opening post. I imagine they couldn't tune it to sound 'right'. It would be interesting to hear Naim's perspective on this.

Steve

ken c posted:

Don Atkinson posted:

I wonder what the market size is for this cable?

Given that Naim has all but abandoned vinyl replay in favour of streaming, I wonder if this product is worthwhile as a business proposition.

Remember, Naim is no longer independent.

i wonder if this has anything to do with 'independence' Don. The cable was 'imminent' and then all went quiet.  so this suggests to me that R&D was already water under the bridge.

i recall visiting a dealer who was pushing me to change to a Radikal as Naim were about to discontinue the 'Geddon. This was at least 3 years or so ago. So the Geddon is dead -- long live the Geddon!

And i still have my Superline running an 'ordinary'  lavender 4-5 DIN 

enjoy

ken

In the review in HIFI Critic Martin Collums said they just used the 'standard cables', so this was probably the lavender. 

 I must get a loan of the standard lavender cable to swap out my Hi-Line (which i preferred at the time - note: it does have to be perfectly dressed!) to see what I now think as my Suplerline has moved on with Z-Cryo Airplugs etc.

Richard

ken c posted:

sorry you probably misread my post. The Armaggedon is still available as far as i know -- it was on the last Naim price list anyhow.

enjoy

ken

Hi Ken, this is the email from Naim..

 From: mbx_Sales <sales@naimaudio.com>
Date: 31 December 2015 21:43:45 GMT
To: 
Subject: RE: Armageddon

Hi

Thank you for your e mail, sorry the Armageddon is no longer available

Regards

Steven Hopkins
Customer Relations Manager
  
 Call: +44 (0) 1722 426604
Steven.Hopkins@naimaudio.com  
naimaudio.com  |  @naimaudio

ATB Graham.

Don Atkinson posted:

I wonder what the market size is for this cable?

Given that Naim has all but abandoned vinyl replay in favour of streaming, I wonder if this product is worthwhile as a business proposition.

Remember, Naim is no longer independent.

Well they produced a SL cable that can only be used by active users.  I suspect the vinyl replay market is bigger than the Naim active market.

Steve J posted:

Don Atkinson posted:

I wonder what the market size is for this cable?

Given that Naim has all but abandoned vinyl replay in favour of streaming, I wonder if this product is worthwhile as a business proposition.

Remember, Naim is no longer independent.

That argument doesn't hold Don as Naim still produce the 'reference phono stage', the Superline. 

I think it must be the technical issue I mentioned in the opening post. I imagine they couldn't tune it to sound 'right'. It would be interesting to hear Naim's perspective on this.

Steve

True. But my point is that over-comming technical issues costs money. The Vinyl replay market is relatively small. The VAG investment house might well have a view.

Of course, my hypothesis is only a possibility. Time will tell and let's hope my hypothesis is wrong. After all, charging £10k+ for each cable would still see them selling like hot-cakes

Richard/Steve

Maybe time to look at the urika again, you know you want to!!

Kevin

Hi Kevin,

You tease, but not for me.

How are your SL's and have you tried the DIN-XLR again?

Richard,

SL's are sounding excellent, not tried the DIN-XLR again, something for the future.

I'm borrowing SORG's  NAP300DR on Friday for a week so I can get a feel for the upgrade.

I would speak to David about Urika/DIN-RCA as he's being wanting to do it again since I did it, you might be surprised.

From your post I get the impression your not convinced about SL?

Kevin

I have a few doubts but in no rush to change speakers cables but interested in the SL ICs.

Richard

I know my question  is bit off here to ask, but how much difference is between going directly from superline into 552 compared to a Supercaped Superline ? Does the DR betters the non Dr Supercap on a Superline ? I heard some didn t like the DR version on the Superline. 

difficult questions to answers and I am sure with many views.

of course home dems is the only way.

Richard

 I don't use a Superline but I do rate it highly and, having listened to the various combinations, if I were to use one I would definitely – funds permitting – power it with a Supercap DR. 

Thank you Chris and Richard. It is definitely the best opption to listen at home. It is a 2 nd hand item and i unfortunatelly will not have this option here.  It sounds obvious from naims hearchy to power the superline from a Supercap DR and why else should the superline have a burndy joint build in ?  My question  is rather compared against the direct 552 DR connection. Will the supercap improve it or is there a possibility to overdo it ? Some people commented on the supercaped Snaxo in the same way. Sorry for my English ! 

If I remember correctly from the early days of the Superline, powering a SL off the 552 was approximately equivalent to (but not the same as) powering it off a Hicap.

Powering a SL off a Supercap DR ups performance remarkably and very noticeably. 

How anyone could not appreciate music from a SL/SCDR combination is beyond me.  It's phenomenal.  Expensive but phenomenal, at least to these cloth ears.

Very true. The Superline combined with the Supercap is the best combination and there was a significant boost in sound quality with the Supercap DR upgrade. As FT says though, at a cost. If I was starting out again I would go for the more economical Urika solution.