naim powerline!

I was sceptical about powerlines generally until I tried the Naim PL - yes they make a signicant improvement in my opinion.   

Can you borrow a couple? 

hi!

i can only borrow one pl.

That will give you a flavour.  Start on the CDX2 and gradually work through the system.   

If you can borrow only one PL my advice would be to try it first on the Napsc that powers the control section of the 282. I was staggered at the obvious improvement that it delivered. 

Mike

your right in the premise of 4/5 powerlines. Having one as a starter maybe difficult, put it on the SuperC..or on the kettle until enough cups of tea provide the rest.

Hi, I've got two connected, one for the 250dr and one for cdx2, I had them on home demo for a couple of weeks, noticed a clear difference both in detail, and definition, ect. I would highly recommend but ideally a home demo is probably the way forward...

Do you have Fraim? I think I'd put powerlines second to that given a powerigel.

Hi, no I don't have a Fraim, it is on my to purchase list..

Hi

Powerlines works best in tandems or as a team. If there is one to be tested, the best gain is on the power amp - this is where the actual sounds shaping starts taking place.

As to NAPSC - I struggle to understand how a power line would affect the sound, as NAPSC provides current for the control circuits of the 282 i.e. Motorised volume control and the lights for the switches.

Anyhow - do experiment.

I think it's a good idea to put powerlines on everything. It wasn't until the last I bought that I could hear a massive improvement. It lowered the background noice and the music went very easy to listen to, no fatigue at all for me.

Anders

Adam Zielinski posted:

Hi

Powerlines works best in tandems or as a team. If there is one to be tested, the best gain is on the power amp - this is where the actual sounds shaping starts taking place.

As to NAPSC - I struggle to understand how a power line would affect the sound, as NAPSC provides current for the control circuits of the 282 i.e. Motorised volume control and the lights for the switches.

Anyhow - do experiment.

 

Agree with Adam, although it was mentioned on a previous thread that the greatest gain came from a powerline on the napsc, for the reasons explained via Adam in theory it should be the least, as suggested best to experiment 

I have a powerigel with 6 lines...love it!

Adam Zielinski posted:

Hi

Powerlines works best in tandems or as a team. If there is one to be tested, the best gain is on the power amp - this is where the actual sounds shaping starts taking place.

As to NAPSC - I struggle to understand how a power line would affect the sound, as NAPSC provides current for the control circuits of the 282 i.e. Motorised volume control and the lights for the switches.

Anyhow - do experiment.

 

Yes, do experiment for yourself.  I found that when I had a single Powerline I liked it least when it was on the power amp with Naim (hydra) leads on all else.  The sound became overly warm and a bit too "fat and slow".  With a power line on the pre-amp PSU and on the power amp, all was well again.

Adam Zielinski posted:

As to NAPSC - I struggle to understand how a power line would affect the sound, as NAPSC provides current for the control circuits of the 282 i.e. Motorised volume control and the lights for the switches.

 

You wouldn't be the first to query this, Adam.  Mr Meredith and others have explained the importance of the Napsc controlling the 282's relays through which the signal passes. But the most important thing is to trust your ears.  Others on the forum have found benefit in this too, but not all.  Giving it a try costs nothing.

Mike 

MDS posted:

Adam Zielinski posted:

As to NAPSC - I struggle to understand how a power line would affect the sound, as NAPSC provides current for the control circuits of the 282 i.e. Motorised volume control and the lights for the switches.

 

You wouldn't be the first to query this, Adam.  Mr Meredith and others have explained the importance of the Napsc controlling the 282's relays through which the signal passes. But the most important thing is to trust your ears.  Others on the forum have found benefit in this too, but not all.  Giving it a try costs nothing.

Mike 

Mike - you got me thinking now. Thanks! I shall experiment

 i Think i will connect the powerlines to the cdx2,282,250.2 and supercap dr,the napsc will have to wait.

the one i can borrow i can connect it later to the napsc when i have purchased the other four to hear if there is any improvement.im cuorius now to try the pl om the napsc too.

now i have ordered 4 powerlines and a musicline.my dealer said it will take about 7-10 Days.

thanks you all for helping me

hmm! 7-10 Days,its a lot of waiting when you want it to happen now!!!!!!!

Four Powerlines is a substantial investment which ought to give you a very noticeable uplift in performance. Do report back when you get them.  Oh, and I hope you already know that PLs can take a time to run-in.

Mike  

Another train of thought, what about upgrading your 250.2 to a 250DR?  I would think the cost would be less & the improvements greater then swapping to PL's?  You can still likely add a couple PL's if you want to spend the same amount  

i know its a big investment,and i think it will be a great upgrade,burninperiod is about 100 hours if im not mistaken.

im will upgrade my 250 too,buuuut i will do so when i know that i can be without music for as long as the upgrade takes.

its a dilema.

i will keep you informed when i get the Cables and after the burninperiod.

thanks!!

A quick question for those that understand these things better than me.  How does a cable 'burn in'?  By this I mean what's the physical change in the wire?

Dropped in to this discussion as confused by the fact that Powerline is widely used by manufacturers as the designation of devices for creating effectively Ethernet links over mains power cable. Try googling Powerline without the Naim.

Unfortunately had to resort to this solution to stop my Mu-so Qb dropping out over its legacy 802.11 g/b wi-fi. Just hate to think what having data around on your power inputs might do for you high-end people!

Mattnbarns posted:

A quick question for those that understand these things better than me.  How does a cable 'burn in'?  By this I mean what's the physical change in the wire?

I don't understand these things, but I guess it depends at what level you're looking for a physical change in the wire. Some would say that electrons better align during burn-in and ergo efficiency increases. So a further question might be what empirical evidence exists to support such a claim for this process?

Surely four Powerlines are all you need: CDX2, napsc, Supercap, 250. Four powered boxes, four wires. Am I missing something?

Correct - 4 powerlines needed for such a setup. Running it myself.