QNAP mirrored drive failed

Posted by: John3 on 07 March 2016

I have a Qnap TS412 turbo NAS, with two drives in Raid 1 mirrored configuration. I have today noticed a flashing red status light and a red light above drive 2. Qnap Finder states the NAS is in degraded mode and there is a message against drive 2 that there is a read/write error.

This all points to a drive failure of the mirrored drive 2. Can still play music so drive 1 looks ok. I have several offsite back ups of the drag and drop variety so I am not panicking.

However, this is the first time this has happened to me in approx. 5 years of streaming. Everything about streaming from ripping through to using the App has always worked reliably and seamlessly, mainly due to it all being set up brilliantly by Ian at UHES. I have always assumed when something went wrong Ian would be there at the end of the phone or could pay a visit to fix. As we know, sadly, UHES are no longer so I am looking for some help on this forum.

My question - is it simply a case of doing the following?

- Buy new 3.5" Sata drive of same size as current (2TB)

- Turn off NAS

- Swap defective drive in bay 2 with new drive

- Turn NAS back on and it will mirror drive 2 automatically from drive 1 and all will ok again.

I am no IT expert but have average skills and could just cope with the above. But please let me know if it is more complicated than this. Whilst I have back ups I do not wish to risk losing my data on drive 1 as well.

Thanks

Posted on: 07 March 2016 by Solid Air

Yep, should work. The new disk must have at least the capacity of the old one, but otherwise a straight swap should be fine. After you install it, the light will flash red and green for a while, and Raid will rebuild itself. The light goes green again at the end.  You can monitor it on the dashboard.

Of course, the bigger question is: why bother with Raid? I get that you've been able to listen to music on the QNAP in the meantime, but it seems like a small benefit for all the hassle, noise and cost. Just my two cents.

Posted on: 07 March 2016 by John3

Thanks. Why bother with Raid? - good question. I suppose it is just another layer of defence and keeps the music going without having to resort to copying from the back up which would take 20* hours.

Another question - do I in fact need to turn off the NAS whilst doing the physical swap?

 

Posted on: 07 March 2016 by trickydickie

According to QNAP's website the TS-412 supports hot swapping so you should be safe to remove and replace the disk while the NAS is running. 

As you have discovered, whilst RAID is not a backup it does allow you to continue enjoying the music in the event of a drive failure. 

Richard 

Posted on: 07 March 2016 by rjstaines
trickydickie posted:

According to QNAP's website the TS-412 supports hot swapping so you should be safe to remove and replace the disk while the NAS is running. 

As you have discovered, whilst RAID is not a backup it does allow you to continue enjoying the music in the event of a drive failure. 

Richard 

Not only does RAID allow you to continue to enjoy the music in the event of a disk failure, it allows you to  continue to actually have the music in the event of a drive failure.

Here speaks one who, with 40 years in IT, has dealt with more than his fair share of drive failures 

...and since an HDD is an electro-mechanical thing, every HDD will fail at some point   (the jury is still out on those SSD drives though... introduced just after I retired from active employment). 

Posted on: 07 March 2016 by trickydickie

I am in IT as well, agree with everything you say. 

With regards to SSD's we have had more of these fail than traditional hard drives. Trouble with them is that when they fail they do so catastrophically. 

We may have been unlucky, since changing make to Kingston we have had no issues and they do give a tremendous performance increase 

Posted on: 15 March 2016 by Stephen Pritchard

For what its worth I had a similar problem with my QNAP 412 over last Christmas / New Year.  I hot swapped a larger drive for the faulty one - I had no problems as it rebuilt itself (Ian from UHES was in Cuba with Norman at the time ... so no help there ...).

My only complaint was the system had not sent an email to either Ian or me telling me the drive was faulty ...

Posted on: 16 March 2016 by Huge
trickydickie posted:

I am in IT as well, agree with everything you say. 

With regards to SSD's we have had more of these fail than traditional hard drives. Trouble with them is that when they fail they do so catastrophically. 

We may have been unlucky, since changing make to Kingston we have had no issues and they do give a tremendous performance increase 

The potential reliability of SLC SSD exceeded the best HDDs about 3 or 4 years ago, but, by then, most manufacturers had already switched to MLCs for general SSDs production.  Since then, the only SLC SSDs either were/are old designs (unreliable) or specifically designed for high reliability (and very expensive!).

From some manufacturers, MLC SSDs started to have an overall reliability advantage about 2 years ago.  Most of the current generation SSDs from most manufacturers now have a reliability advantage (but there are still exceptions).  Don't forget that HDD reliability is also variable and usage dependant.

Posted on: 16 March 2016 by Harry

As advised above, you can hot swap the disk without powering down.

On the subject of anecdotal observations of higher SSD failure rates - same here. The big picture might be different but the parochial picture is clear. SSDs are not as reliable as conventional platters and are not favoured here or recommended to my clients. Still not a cheap option either.

Posted on: 16 March 2016 by heihei

I had the same problem last week with my Netgear ReadyNAS Ultra 4. I've replaced the dead drive with a brand new one but it's failed to resync, and am now being told that the other drive may be close to failing too. Am getting prompt responses from the Netgear forum which I'm working through to try and resolve.

Posted on: 21 March 2016 by John3

Just to update - I received my new drive and hot swapped it for the defective mirrored drive over the weekend. This was easy to do and within a minute or so of inserting the drive it started rebuilding which took around 6 hours. All is ok now which is a relief.