NDX Tips and Tweaks

Posted by: Simon-in-Suffolk on 10 June 2011

I am settling down to a loan NDX until my new one arrives from my dealer. Its a great machine, however it does have a few gotchas that does seem to affect it sonically. Unless addressed the NDX can sound rather mediocre in my opinion (compared to a CDS3). My comments have been collected predominately by using it with a 555PS and using the internal NDX DAC. I have graded the tweaks based on affect to the sound

 

1)  HIGH:  Disable the digital out.

2)  HIGH:  Use Wave instead of FLAC files

3)  HIGH:  Deactivate the internal NDX display on playback.

4)  HIGH:  Use an external PS and keep the Burndy hanging free and pre-flexed.

 

5)  MEDIUM: Disable unused digital inputs

6)  MEDIUM: Use wired Ethernet instead of WiFi

7)  MEDIUM: Use DIN analogue out and disable other analogue outputs 

 

8)  LOW: Put a ferrite clamp around the Ethernet calbe as it enters the NDX

9) LOW: Ensure Ethernet cable is seperate and not touching the Powerline or other power cable

 

Finally ensure the grounding switch is correctly set - not really a tweak - but make sure it is correct for your setup.

 

I find if I follow the above with my 555PS the NDX sounds very good in all aspects - other than voice naturalness where the nod still goes to the CDS3..

 

Simon

 

Posted on: 10 June 2011 by matpip

More or less the same tweaks I've done on my Squeezebox Touch...

Posted on: 10 June 2011 by marcobb

What is the grounding switch should i choose ?

 

And more one need to caution, uninstall the wireless antenna for prevent abnormal signal jam in 

Posted on: 10 June 2011 by DQ

Very helpful, I have done post of these apart from the clamp and the disabling of the screen.

 

I also have an Asset NAS on the way in from the UK which I will set up next week. I don't expect much change in sound but I hope things will be a little faster than the current set up.

 

Finally, this is the weekend to wire in FM from the cable box. For odd reasons to do with how things are set up this is a bit more than a simple job.

 

Listened to some Hugh Masekala last night - sounded just great.

 

David

Posted on: 10 June 2011 by james n
Simon - does the internal wireless card power down when you use wired Ethernet ?

James
Posted on: 10 June 2011 by Simon-in-Suffolk

James - I don't know for sure, but I suspect it probably does.

 

Simon

 

Posted on: 10 June 2011 by Rich27
Originally Posted by james n:

       

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        Simon - does the internal wireless card power down when you use wired Ethernet ?

James



Given that you could probably have fried eggs on my NDX when I was using it wirelessly and now it just gets slightly warm using it wired, I would suggest that it does power down the wireless bits!
Posted on: 28 May 2012 by NickSeattle

Anybody know how to enter the NDX Setup mode without the remote?  Got one to try for the long weekend and forgot the handset.  I RTFM but do not see my answer.  Thanks.  Nick

Posted on: 28 May 2012 by NickSeattle

Press and hold OK/List!  I see it now.  Sorry.  Nick

Posted on: 19 June 2012 by roo
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:

3)  HIGH:  Deactivate the internal NDX display on playback.

I can set a short display timeout but is there a specific setting to disable the display when playback starts?

Posted on: 19 June 2012 by Peter_RN

I would also be interested to know the answer to this. I can only set a minimum of 10 seconds as far as I can make out; however, there has been a firmware update since Simon wrote his first post on this, so maybe this was once possible but no longer so?

 

Peter

Posted on: 19 June 2012 by MangoMonkey

Exact same tweaks as my squeezebox touch too.

 

So, it's just a little concerning. Even after buying a $5K system, I need to worry about these things?

Posted on: 19 June 2012 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Hie Peter there has been a firmware update, i set the display to clear after about 10 seconds

 

 

Posted on: 19 June 2012 by engjoo
MangoMonkey, exactly my sentiments! If audible differences can be made with all these permutations of settings, something is very wrong with the design. Guys, let's enjoy the music and think of what songs you are planning to listen to next!
Posted on: 19 June 2012 by Mort2k
WAV over FLAC is this a general rule for all naim streamers ? Looking at the ND5XS but all music is in FLAC at present Ty Rob
Posted on: 19 June 2012 by Harry

I wouldn't be inclined to interpret an obsessive pursuit of sound quality, eking out anything that can possibly be had down to the last nut and bolt as a wrong design. Technically I suppose this could be the case, which by extension means that the Naim CD player range was and is riddled with wrong designs. And for that matter all the integrated and pres which allow the LEDs to be switched out. How can so much stuff that is so wrong sound so right?

Posted on: 19 June 2012 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Hi Peter, I forgot to say as well, that since compiling the list I have now fed the NDX into the NDAC, and my findings now differ slightly. I now have  the later streaming board. I have found RFI choke clamping the SPDIF lead has a better improvement than clamping the Ethernet lead alone. Since I have started to choke the SPDIF lead and use the NDAC I find the display being on has less an impact and that along with the new firmware and streamer board, disabling unused inputs appears now to matter very little. I also feel that DIN and phono (on the ndac) are largely neutral, as benefits perceived IMO are down to the connector construction rather than connector type. (if connecting to RCA on the Pre).

Therefore I think there many benefits with the NDX to use a seperate DAC so as to help isolation. Of course the NDS goes to some length now to provide this same sort of isolation internally within the NDS itself. If all goes to plan I should be able to hear an NDS later today.

Simon

Posted on: 20 June 2012 by Peter_RN

Hi Simon, very interesting, thanks for taking the time to post that.

 

Our NDX has the earlier boards, as we are unable to use the new type but has always fed into the nDAC/XPS2 combo, which we are very pleased with. I have choked the DC1 and cat5e cables following your earlier posts. My interest in switching off the screen was really due to the way I was serving the music to both the NDX and Qute, the screen was switching on at the beginning of every track. However, I have now found that using J River as the server and with careful setup I now have as near perfect a solution as we could hope for, truly excellent in fact.

 

Sadly the NDS is a non-starter for us due to the new boards; so unless a new nDAC MK 2 appears we will continue with what we have, and will without doubt remain very happy with it.

 

Hope you get to hear the NDS today as planned and will look forward to reading your thought in due course. Thanks again for your many helpful posts.

 

Regards

Peter

 

 

 

 

Posted on: 20 June 2012 by Dustysox
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:

 

Therefore I think there many benefits with the NDX to use a seperate DAC so as to help isolation. Of course the NDS goes to some length now to provide this same sort of isolation internally within the NDS itself. If all goes to plan I should be able to hear an NDS later today.

Simon

Hi Simon,

 

Any luck with NDS today, any thoughts?

Posted on: 20 June 2012 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Hi Dustsox, just got back and listening to some tunes. Heard the NDS with 2x  full fat 555PS's. If am honest I will need to listen in my home environment to compare. At this level unless it's your room and speakers it's hard to compare things and make a clear judgement one way or another.

 

One thing I will say, we listened to a Pre production NDS and there were 8 of us in the room and we stll clearly heard differences between FLAC and WAV on identical tracks from a variety of genres. Comments like 'WAV has more air', and 'where has the music gone?'  with FLAC and over dinner the comment 'the difference was night and day' was made.

 

Thanks to Signals and Naim for an enjoyable and interesting evening, and it was good to meet  some of the characters on this forum.

 

Simon

Posted on: 21 June 2012 by james n
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:

One thing I will say, we listened to a Pre production NDS and there were 8 of us in the room and we stll clearly heard differences between FLAC and WAV on identical tracks from a variety of genres. Comments like 'WAV has more air', and 'where has the music gone?'  with FLAC and over dinner the comment 'the difference was night and day' was made.

 


Interesting observation Simon. What was the response of the Naim personnel to this  - will it be ironed out in the production vesion or just left as for best results, use WAV (and hopefully AIFF !) ?

 

James

 

Posted on: 21 June 2012 by engjoo
If the NDX sounds better with WAV files then I would suggest an experiment using a PC/Mac using a using USB/SPDIF converter feeding direct into the NDX's SPDIF input. This should remove the impact of the decompression resources of the streamer board in the sound by transferring the responsibility over to the PC/MAC.
Posted on: 21 June 2012 by james n
Originally Posted by engjoo:
If the NDX sounds better with WAV files then I would suggest an experiment using a PC/Mac using a using USB/SPDIF converter feeding direct into the NDX's SPDIF input. This should remove the impact of the decompression resources of the streamer board in the sound by transferring the responsibility over to the PC/MAC.

Good point, although it somewhat defeats the point of the NDX. I'd just be happy to stick to uncompressed files like i do now - Flac has no interest (or use) to me apart from being an initial download medium.

Posted on: 21 June 2012 by Warpeon

Dbpoweramp now has an option to create uncompressed flac. I have compared the CPU utilization between that and wav file. The difference is marginal. On my system, I haven't been able to notice too much of a difference. Has anyone tried that?

Posted on: 21 June 2012 by Peter W
Originally Posted by Warpeon:

Dbpoweramp now has an option to create uncompressed flac. I have compared the CPU utilization between that and wav file. The difference is marginal. On my system, I haven't been able to notice too much of a difference. Has anyone tried that?

Yes I have. I tried different formats before I started ripping all my CDs. Choosing the wrong format would have been a nightmare considering how painful the ripping process is. To my ears WAV files are clearly better.

Posted on: 21 June 2012 by Simon-in-Suffolk

James, no I  didn't pose that question (and I don't beleive anyone else did)  - it would have felt rude as Mark probably wouldn't have been able to answer it. If I am honest I'd be suprised at this stage if this was eliminated in the production version. The view of most I discussed this with - if you prefer WAV then feed it WAV - its not a big issue - and I tend to agree - and I am sure those listening on lesser systems or who are more sensitive to other things with their listening approach will be quite happy with FLAC.... although I find it hard to see how