Supercap on 282

If you like 82/S'Cap and are running actively don't you need to track down a good 52 instead of the 82 and let the music flow even more freely?

I've got a 282 Nick. 252 not on the cards at the moment and don't want to go back to Olive. I've grown to prefer the current looks.

oh gosh this is clearly NOT what I wanted to read. The olive supercap better than HCDR.... 

but it doesn't surprise me. The Supercap powers each channel of the 282 instead of the HCDR which powers both.

When I tried 2 HCDR on my 282, the noise floor went way down too, and just more musical.

Marksnaim posted:

I've got a 282 Nick. 252 not on the cards at the moment and don't want to go back to Olive. I've grown to prefer the current looks.

Sorry, I did not check your profile to see what you had and made an assumption that because you said 82 it meant you had an 82. I see from other threads that there is some debate over 282 and 252. I could just say 552.

Nick from Suffolk posted:

Marksnaim posted:

I've got a 282 Nick. 252 not on the cards at the moment and don't want to go back to Olive. I've grown to prefer the current looks.

Sorry, I did not check your profile to see what you had and made an assumption that because you said 82 it meant you had an 82. I see from other threads that there is some debate over 282 and 252. I could just say 552.

Please don't 

Marksnaim posted:

Following on from the recent Olive Supercap on 82 thread I took the plunge and picked up a recently serviced Supercap-2 . The intention is to use it to power my Snaxo 2-4 but while I wait for the Burndy to arrive I thought I'd give it a go on the 282 instead of the single HicapDR. WOW. 

Just jumped into the Naim circuit in the fall of 2014. My intentions was 282 and SC, but was influenced by the Forum, and lack of funds and chose the HCDR route.

 At that time the topic of choice was to DR or not, and many concluded that the gap between the HCDR and SC was marginally noticed, and the HCDR took the 282 to it's potential!

Hindsight is 20/20!

Should have been patient, and took advantage of the 282's duel channelment as Analog recently noted!

So Marksnaim, we are kinda in the same boat!

My profile reads:

Cdx2/282/HCDR/3 x 250.2/Fraimlite/Briks

Next purchase SCDR/Snaxo

Allante93!

Hi Allante,

Probably some of the step up in performance is down to putting the DR Hicap on the Snaxo as opposed to the older (unserviced) Hicap2

In the process of upgrading the NAPs to DR versions. The goal is to get Briks when the work is completed on our house. I'm a huge Brik fan, having owned two pairs in the past. But in the mean time the IBLs continue to show the benefits of improvements upstream. They've never sounded so good. 

Marksnaim posted:

Hi Allante,

Probably some of the step up in performance is down to putting the DR Hicap on the Snaxo as opposed to the older (unserviced) Hicap2

In the process of upgrading the NAPs to DR versions. The goal is to get Briks when the work is completed on our house. I'm a huge Brik fan, having owned two pairs in the past. But in the mean time the IBLs continue to show the benefits of improvements upstream. They've never sounded so good. 

Thanks Marksnaim, please post your results, Once SC, Snaxo, and Burndy is in place.

From what I hear, that is a major step in the Active arena.

Also, I seem to recall that the internals between the Olive SC & SC2 were identical. Difference being case, switch, and feet, I would imagine similar sound quality.

 But once again, there's no substitute for hands-on experience!

Enjoy your Active set-up!

Allante93!

I think the general wisdom is that a Supercap is a WAY better power supply than a Hicap, aside from having more supply rails.  There are reports of the SC having wondrous effect on a Prefix or Headline - which utilize only one rail.  This was my experience when replacing two Hicaps with SC - it was not just better, it was revelatory.  

Anyone who says a HC is better than a SC (even unDRed) should see an otologist!

CharlieP posted:

I think the general wisdom is that a Supercap is a WAY better power supply than a Hicap, aside from having more supply rails.  There are reports of the SC having wondrous effect on a Prefix or Headline - which utilize only one rail.  This was my experience when replacing two Hicaps with SC - it was not just better, it was revelatory.  

So what do you think CharlieP,  should I swapped out my 2014 HCDR for an 2008 SC, which was serviced in 2014?

Yes, Audio Plus recapped, and Dred her In 2014!

Cdx2/282/HCDR/3 x 250.2's/Fraimlite/Briks

Allante93!

Tony2011 posted:

Anyone who says a HC is better than a SC (even unDRed) should see an otologist!

Looks like a lot of Forum members need their ears examined!

""Super Cap or Hi cap Upgrades

October, 28th, 2013""

Allante93!

Allante93 posted:

Tony2011 posted:

Anyone who says a HC is better than a SC (even unDRed) should see an otologist!

Looks like a lot of Forum members need their ears examined!

""Super Cap or Hi cap Upgrades

October, 28th, 2013""

Allante93!

I'm afraid so. It's endemic!

It's all fun playing with combos, I preferred my single HCDR with my 282 compared to my dual burndy feed from my SuperCapDR. This latter combo just sounded too clinical or 'HiFi' and did not compliment the 282 strengths. However the SuperCapDR on the 252 was a revelation compared to my trusty 282  but that's another story. 

Simon

I went from a Hicap (non DR) to a SupercapDR both on my 282 and the difference was significant (the SupercapDR being superior to these ears) but the DR thing didn't make this a fair fight. I have not heard the 282 with a HCDR but several on here (including Simon above) say this is the only PS you will ever need on the 282 and offers the best VFM. I went for a SupercapDR because I was pretty sure I might upgrade to a 252 later on (which I have ).

As usual have a listen to both if you can in your system.

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

It's all fun playing with combos, I preferred my single HCDR with my 282 compared to my dual burndy feed from my SuperCapDR. This latter combo just sounded too clinical or 'HiFi' and did not compliment the 282 strengths. However the SuperCapDR on the 252 was a revelation compared to my trusty 282  but that's another story. 

Simon

Ok, I know, nothing like hands on experience, I know, to my ears, etc..  

But none of my friends would spend 2K on a Hi Fi System, less know a 2nd hand Cdx2.

My local dealer done Statement Siminar last December, carries Focal Speakers, Sales Naim gear on line, during the Siminar I didn't see any Naim gear, and to boot, he's never open, appointment only,and I left messages to purchase Naim cups and bolts, no reply.

Cost $10 to cross the Border to Canada, he's limited with Naim gear but last time I spoke to him 250DR was on the way, so that trip is on the agenda!

Hence, I forced to reach out to the Forum!

So what do you think Simon,  should I swapped out my 2014 HCDR for an 2008 SC, which was serviced in 2014?

Yes, Audio Plus recapped, and Dred her In 2014!

or be patient and wait on next purchase Snaxo 362, and hope a SCDR hits the Market again!

Cdx2/282/HCDR/3 x 250.2's/Fraimlite/Briks

Thanks in Advance Simon!

Allante93!

If I wasn't so keen to hear what the supercap can do for the Snaxo it would be no contest for me. The difference over 282/HCDR/HC2/SNAXO and 282/SC/HCDR/SNAXO is huge. I could live with this very happily. Hard to imagine that swapping it over to 282/HCDR/SC/SNAXO can improve on this but then the Snaxo really does get the most out of the SC so we'll see. It may be that in a passive set up the HCDR does things in a different way with the 282 and it may be preferable to the SC but that's not my experience at the moment. I started the day off with 282/HCDR/HC2/Snaxo playing Miles Davis' In a Silent Way. Ending the day with the SC/HCDR combo playing the same album. It's like a different record. Huge difference in every way. Frankly I'm a bit stunned. Maybe my older HC2 is really in need of a service and was holding the system back.

Exciting times ahead.

Yes, Marksnaim, I've experienced the impact a SC has on 282 as compared to a HC and it's one of those 'wow' moments. For me it took about one minute of listening to decide I had to have the Supercap, and that was a nonDR version.   As you would expect the DR version improves things still further, though I found that the benefit of a SCDR over a non-DR SC was less on the 282 as compared to that when powering a 252 (and I'm one of those on here that prefer the 282 to the 252!)

Mike  

Oh dear. Just had a thought. If the SC on the SNAXO is better than on the 282 then what would it sound like with two SC's ?

Nooooo........

MDS posted:

Yes, Marksnaim, I've experienced the impact a SC has on 282 as compared to a HC and it's one of those 'wow' moments. For me it took about one minute of listening to decide I had to have the Supercap, and that was a nonDR version.   As you would expect the DR version improves things still further, though I found that the benefit of a SCDR over a non-DR SC was less on the 282 as compared to that when powering a 252 (and I'm one of those on here that prefer the 282 to the 252!)

Mike  

How do you guys, Think I will fare out with the HCDR on the 282, and SCDR on the Snaxo with the all important Burndy, to get the equation right?

I'll let you know when I do my test. My burndy should get here tomorrow hopefully so should get some time over the weekend to play around. Point to note, mine is not a SCDR. Should still be a fairly representative comparison however.

Now back to Miles...wow. 

Allante, bearing in mind I am only familiar with DR powersupplies, I say keep your HCDR on the 282 and enjoy. Get the SuperCapDR if you are thinking of the 252. I bought my SCDR ahead of my 252 (for a great price). In the end I kept my SCDR packaged up using my HCDR on my 282 until I later got my 252. 

So again it proves the need to listen... as with many things, just because it costs more it doesn't make it better. The SCDR on the 282 was a big disappointment for me.... it was one of those 'oh dear' moments.. where has my music gone..  Mind you I was using very revealing speakers which might have been something to do with it...

Simon

Allante93 posted:

CharlieP posted:

I think the general wisdom is that a Supercap is a WAY better power supply than a Hicap, aside from having more supply rails.  There are reports of the SC having wondrous effect on a Prefix or Headline - which utilize only one rail.  This was my experience when replacing two Hicaps with SC - it was not just better, it was revelatory.  

So what do you think CharlieP,  should I swapped out my 2014 HCDR for an 2008 SC, which was serviced in 2014?

Yes, Audio Plus recapped, and Dred her In 2014!

Cdx2/282/HCDR/3 x 250.2's/Fraimlite/Briks

Allante93!

Since you asked, I would certainly opt for the Supercap.  Sorry Simon, but I cannot imagine preferring a Hicap to a Supercap on a 282 in my system.  I have not heard the HicapDR, but it is beyond me imagining that the DR could make up for the enormous and wonderful difference a Supercap made in my system over an olive Hicap.  This was true even when the SC was 20 years old and unserviced.  The recap added a great deal of elegance to what was a profound difference between the two.  I do not mean to discount those few who have preferred the Hicap, but I can't help but wonder what must have been wrong.  

So Allante93 the reports are not unanimous.  it would be best to audition if you can.  If a demo is not possible, and the price is right (meaning that you can afford it and it is at market value), then go for it.  If it turn out that you do not prefer it, then sell it on.

Charlie

Agree - for me, scdr was amazing on the 282 with very clear improvement over hcdr. Just to my ears, it was a no brainer, but we have different results of course, Lars

A SCDR on a 282 is rather special. The upgrade has the added bonus of freeing up a HCDR for something else like a HeadLine.