Supercap on 282

Posted by: Marksnaim on 28 April 2016

Following on from the recent Olive Supercap on 82 thread I took the plunge and picked up a recently serviced Supercap-2 . The intention is to use it to power my Snaxo 2-4 but while I wait for the Burndy to arrive I thought I'd give it a go on the 282 instead of the single HicapDR. WOW. Even cold from the box it's a pretty major step up. The level of detail is amazing. I'm hearing harmonics in guitar strings that I've never heard before. One happy camper here. It's going to interesting to compare going back to the HCDR on the 282 and using the SC on the Snaxo. The other benefit I'm getting is that the Snaxo is now using my HCDR and not a standard HC of course.

I'll update when I get the burndy and get a chance to rip it all apart again and change things round (exhausting)

Posted on: 30 April 2016 by analogmusic

even when powered by single Hicap DR, the 202 and 282 sound very different. No power supply can make a 202 sound like a 282, and Richard Dane confirmed this a few years ago when he said that the power supply upgrade will never take the preamp to the next level (i.e. Supercap on 202 will not make it a 282)

there is some talk about this on various forums (that the Naim preamp range is the same circuit with ability to connect to better power supplies as you go up the range), and while this may be partially correct, there is much more to it than just that, listening to 202 and 282 with the same Hicap, I find that Richard Dane is 100 % correct. The 282 is simply much superior to the 202.

Anyway Allante, I am not very sure if the Supercap on 282 powers left and right channels, I read from another forum that for the 82, adding a second hicap actually powers the 2 parts of the preamp rather than splitting into individual channels.

Would be nice if anyone from Naim can confirm this

For the NAP 500 that is what Naim say they do, they use one single big transformer, and then use separate regulators for each part of the amplifier.

 About that write up, I think it is a bit ignorant, it is a bit like saying that NAP 250 and NAP 500 share almost the same transformer and transistors (which they do), and hence are alarmingly similar inside, but there is a LOT more going on in the NAP 500 than the NAP 250, and the results can be easily heard.

the same applies to 252, each part of the preamp gets its own regulated power supply, it uses all the 13 (I think) rails of the Supercap, whereas the 282 can only use 2, becasue the 282 is split internally (Naim, please confirm) into 2 parts.

So no, the 252 is not the alarmingly the same as a 282, or 202. That is just a gross generalization of the intricate engineering, and bit like say oh - BMW 5 series and E class Mercedes - both cars have got an engine, and 4 tires, so they are both cars and are alarmingly similar

About 252 vs 282, I do believe that the 252 is better than 282, (although I haven't heard them side by side), and the 552 is better than the 252, but then as Richard Dane did say a few years ago, after 282/250 level the law of diminishing returns starts to bite the wallet, and the 282/SC/250 is (or was - now maybe 272/250) the sweet spot VFM in the range.

I also trust that Naim know their products very well, and would not ask for much more money for 252/SC or 552 if they were not 100 % sure about the improvements over a 282.

Different speakers, different rooms, different ears, and different expectations result in varied opinions on this thread.

At the end of the day, when systems are made active, with Snaxo and Ovator S800, then the system (source/preamp/poweramp/cabling) is ruthlessly exposed and laid bare, and then maybe the real value of 252/SC over 282. and 552 compared to 252/SC becomes very obvious. 

 

 

Posted on: 30 April 2016 by Allante93

Gentlemen it's already been deemed by the Forum as a garbaged Statement, and my argument clearly states that they are different, but hypothetically if they were similar, only further improvements would be had due to PS options.

 That's all!

Now let's say they aren't remotely similar, let's look at all the 282 vs 252 post, they support both Simon's and John's view, and the garbage statemments view.

Garbage Statement-the 252 is miles away from a 552, but not a massive improvement over the 282.

Now that directly correlates with the Forum's view and John's view.

" 282/SCDR/250DR is good as it gets until 552/500 territory"

Now, I don't know, nor am I speculating, just stating views from those that have owned the aforementioned gear.

It's all good, I think we're all saying the same thing!

Out!

Zen enjoy your 282/SCDR/250DR!

Allante93!