NDX - Naim app - I am stuck

Have you tried clearing the app cache's ?   Settings > UPnP > Clear Cache & in Other Settings > Clear Image Cache.  Might not be the solution but I've found it a worthwhile house keeping item that I do every few weeks.

Hi Mike - Thanks for reply - I have cleared them both - I really do not know where the app is getting it's info from ? I have just switched off the QNap and switched on again - still the same ?!

Al

I'm not a QNAP & Minimserver user so I can't really help,  but if it was my Synology I would re-index,  I expect QNAP has this somewhere.    I'm pretty sure its not a Minimserver issue as normally UPnP servers  just show on the app what it see's & clearing the cache's would have sorted any confusion in that area.   You said you've rescanned Minimserver - I'm not sure what that is,  but I'm circling back to a re-index of the QNAP

Are you 100% confident that your album(s) is/are tagged correctly?  And you've selected MinimServer from the app as the source for UPnP, right?

Are you 100% confident that there is one, and only one, copy of the album on your nas?  You mentioned struggling to rip, and then to upload to the nas . . . perhaps in your struggles you ended up with more than one copy on the nas and MinimServer is picking them all up.

Hi Bart - No - not 100% sure - but I have checked :-

QNap server has one folder "Elvis Costello" - one sub-folder "The very best of Elvis Costello" 22 tracks

I initially had problems ripping disk - gave up on a few tracks - reID tagged the remaining tracks and uploaded them - have since managed to rip all the tracks - deleted on server original folder/sub-folder and uploaded new one - I cannot see any other instance of Elvis Costello - gone through all listing / sub-folders manually ?!

7 folders on Naim app screen - NONE with all 22 tracks

WHERE is it getting it's info from ?

I have switched off and restarted tablet & server - still the same

Other disks seem to be okay though I do notice when I open some to see the track listings that the cover picture appears with each track - annoying - investigating !

Thanks - Al

Rather than switching on & off, have you tried using minimwatch to get Minimserver to rescan the library?

The cover picture thing sounds like a tagging issue. Possibly involving an album with more than one CD. I tend to avoid using 'disc number' tags for that reason. 2 ways to do so which work for me - if it's just a long album, I delete the disc number tag and number tracks appropriately to maintain the order. So if disc one has 5 tracks, I make the first track on disc 2 track 6, and so on. If it's a compilation, I give different discs different album names by appending (CD 1), (CD 2) or something like that.

HTH.

AL9315, I use Asset rather than MinimServer but have in the past experienced problems similar to the one you describe if the metadata is inconsistent between tracks on the same album. In particular, check (using dBpoweramp or whichever tag editor you are using) that the Album title and Album Artist are the same for all tracks on the album and if not, edit so that they are.

ATB, David

Ah yeah that's a good point - best to set up a music master folder on the NAS and have Minimserver only look at that.

I have loads of music files that I don't necessarily want to show up in the Naim app - work in progress recordings, different masters of stuff I've recorded etc - as well as a lot of other stuff like videos etc. Even if you're using your NAS only for music, it helps keeps things organised to have the server look only at the right bit of the NAS as opposed to the whole thing.

Could any deleted items be residing in any "Recycle" folder on the NAS? I had this on occasion.

also, "Elvis Costello", "Elvis Costello & The Attractions" and "Elvis Costello & The Imposters" may well be tagged as different artists. (For example).

look under "Compilations" to see if the album appears there, possibly correctly.

Hi Ian

Need to verify few things with the Minimserver / QNAP set up.

Rather than 'fight' with Mr Costelllo, I suggest we completetely remove the album from the server and start again. In order to remove the album completely you CAN NOT do it from your computer's operating system (e.g. If you are using Mac and have mounted the server in your Finder or if using PC clicked on the Network device).

You need to log into the QNAP admin panel. Select 'File Station'. Go a folder where you keep your music, manually tick next to Elvis Costello album and delete the whole directory (make sure you have a copy on your laptop / PC).

Just to double check that you have set your NAS correctly to work well with Minimserver:

• For the Minimserver to function, you need one top-level directory - let's call it 'MinimserverMusic' - please ensure that you have 'pointed' Minimserver to that directory - this is the only place Minimserver will now use to 'get' it's music from
• Please make sure that the 'MinimserverMusic' access rights have been set as 'read / write etc' for 'guest' - otherwise your server software and NDX may have trouble accesing the folders
• Start loading albums from your laptop / PC. I suggest you load say 5 album and test if all goes well. If all is well, upload the rest of your albums.

File strucutre within 'MinimserverMusic' directory.
There are two schools of thought on that one:

1. Create folders with artists and simply load up music irrespective of wheather it is ripped or bought as a download. 
2. Create two subfolders: RIPS and DOWNLOADS. Provided your metadata / tagging is correct this may be a good way of sorting your music.

If all tracks contain proper metadata Minimserver will 'serve' your Naim App with all the relevant informiaton, enabling sorting by albums, artists, genres etc etc.

Adam

Does your music carry an 'ALBUMARTIST' tag? If not, the whole UPnP thing can sometimes get confused when a compilation, ostensibly of a single artist, has various 'ARTIST' tags, as said above, eg Elvis Costello, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, Elvis Costello and The Attractions, etc.

I find the ALBUMARTIST tagging can cover a multitude of sins!

Wow ! - A load of replies - thanks so much

Recycle bin was part of the problem certainly - kind of silly loading from it ??? - That got rid of 5 instances of the disc

I have deleted the Disk in QNap - switched everything off - re-booted - loaded Naim app - All other discs appear fine with icons - now there are two instances of the Elvis Costello disc - with no icons - just text underneath where icon was saying "The Very Best of...." - touch the screen - disc opens and tracks read Modified or deleted with musical note above - BUT STILL NOT removed completely ??!

I moved all the files to a new directory "MusicFLAC"

Adam - Tried to point Minimwatch as you suggested - "error" !? /share/DataVol1/MusicFLAC as instructed in Mimimwatch also tried /share/MusicFLAC  - no luck

I had it all more or less working - now getting into a muddle and tired ! 

Al

If you have mapped the QNAP's Music folder you can do all the deleting via windows explorer, and only need to go into the QNAP file manager to empty the recycle bin. If it were me, I'd delete the album. Then re-rip it to your computer. Edit the artist tag so that every track says the same thing. Then pop it onto the nas and it should work. 

Every time you change something (be it loads of files at once or just a tag), use minimwatch to rescan and empty the UPnP cache in the Naim app. That'll stop the 'modified or deleted' thing coming up.

Hi Thank you all for your support - with all the advice I was pointed in the right direction !!!

1) I think stupidly Naim app / Minimserver loads up files from the Recycle Bin ???? - deleted them 

2) One of the track names was  tagged incorrectly - which was never on the screen - altered it - deleted old - loaded new !

Working

On with the next problem !

Thank you all again - wonderful !

Al

Well done. It happens to all of us: I just found a Tracey Thorn track that showed as a separate album. For some reason, this one track, of 34, was tagged with a different album name. I just changed it and it's now done. The good thing about Asset is that it rescans automatically, and by the time I picked up the iPad (about a minute later) it was showing correctly, which is amazing in comparison to the wait with Minim. 

You will always see the deleted items. This is because the Music folder has its own recycle folder, so until you delete them it will pick up the deleted items. They don't go into a central bin separate from the Music folder. Once you know that, you won't get caught again. 

Tidy metadata is so important to make streaming a pleasure rather than a trial, and it's worth taking time to get it right. 

One additional thing re Recycle Bin in QNAP: it can be switched off completely. 

I recommend doing that.

Thanks Adam !

I must say - on a few tracks played - sounds good so far ! - and you were right - I did not need a 4 bay server - I have used less than 10% of HD to copy - so far 400 CDs - technology !?

How is your system, I see you have been doing lots of experimenting and changes

Times have changed

Regards, Al

Al. it can be a bit frustrating to start with but when you have it all sorted you will enjot what the NDX can do and will do for many years its that good.

Adam Zielinski posted:

One additional thing re Recycle Bin in QNAP: it can be switched off completely. 

...........  not so sure about that.   I have my Synology trash can enabled,   but its set to manual empty ......  It acts as a safety break ... did you really mean to delete that album  .... are you sure ???  .... are you really sure.    

OK maybe its just a "me" thing  

Al

Glad to hear you have now officially joined the streaming revolution.
For your reference: I ripped CD is approximately 400 - 600 Mb (in WAV format). 1 high-res album is typically around 2-3 Gb.
4 TB drive goes a long way. It will probably fail before you manage to fill it up.

Please remember to keep off-line back up copies!!!
Best to get an external, self contained 2 TB drive and regularly update it with any new music. Typically they cost around GBP 50 for a good quality WD drive.
Every time I purchase a new high-res album I upload it to my NAS and make two copies to 2 external drives. They get stored in a non-magnetic box.
With ripped CDs I'm less strict as I can always revert to a physical CD - I normally update my off-line copy once a month.

My living room system is 'suffering' now - the NDS which I had on loan from my dealer had to be returned. It feels as if someone has taken my music away
The good news is that my brand new 555PS should be arriving in Warsaw sometime during this week. It will power my NDX for a while, whilst my dealer figures out how to sell me an ex-demo NDS, part exchange my NDX and negate a need for a 3rd mortgage at the same time . Whilst simultaneously convincing my long-suffering wife all of this is a perfectly good idea, and her beloved husband has not gone completely mad.

One of the more interesting (as in a normal use of the word) findings from my recent maneuvers is how good my current speakers are. I started experimenting, thinking I needed new speakers in the lounge. However, given a good amp and a good source, those humble and underrated Monitor Audio GX300 are capable of stellar results. Ok - a healthy dose of SuperLumina cables helps...

Once I'm done with the NDS and perhaps upgraded my 282 to 252 or 552 I may contemplate new speakers.But for now - Monitors are staying.
(if NigelB is reading this - THANK YOU!)

Happy listening Al!

Adam

Mike-B posted:

Adam Zielinski posted:

One additional thing re Recycle Bin in QNAP: it can be switched off completely. 

...........  not so sure about that.   I have my Synology trash can enabled,   but its set to manual empty ......  It acts as a safety break ... did you really mean to delete that album  .... are you sure ???  .... are you really sure.    

OK maybe its just a "me" thing  

Different set up Mike-B. Before I upload anything to my NAS I always make an off-line copy onto two separate drives.
So I switched the recycled bin off, so it would not confuse my servers with multiple copies.

But what you wrote makes of course perfect sense - I think a recycled bin can be 'moved' out of the Minimservers 'range' so it does not see it.

Adam Zielinski posted:

Al

Glad to hear you have now officially joined the streaming revolution.
For your reference: I ripped CD is approximately 400 - 600 Mb (in WAV format). 1 high-res album is typically around 2-3 Gb.
4 TB drive goes a long way. It will probably fail before you manage to fill it up.

Please remember to keep off-line back up copies!!!
Best to get an external, self contained 2 TB drive and regularly update it with any new music. Typically they cost around GBP 50 for a good quality WD drive.
Every time I purchase a new high-res album I upload it to my NAS and make two copies to 2 external drives. They they get stored in a non-magnetic box.
With ripped CDs I'm less strict as I can always revert to a physical CD - I normally update my off-line copy once a month.

My living room system is 'suffering' now - the NDS which I had on loan from my dealer had to be returned. It feels as if someone has taken my music away
The good news is that my brand new 555PS should be arriving in Warsaw sometime during this week. It will power my NDX for a while, whilst my dealer figures out how to sell me an ex-demo NDS, part exchange my NDX and negate a need for a 3rd mortgage at the same time . Whilst simultaneously convincing my long-suffering wife all of this is a perfectly good idea, and her beloved husband has not gone completely mad.

One of the more interesting (as in a normal use of the word) findings from my recent maneuvers is how good my current speakers are. I started experimenting, thinking I needed new speakers in the lounge. However, given a good amp and a good source, those humble and underrated Monitor Audio GX300 are capable of stellar results. Ok - a healthy dose of SuperLumina cables helps...

Once I'm done with the NDS and perhaps upgraded my 282 to 252 or 552 I may contemplate new speakers.But for now - Monitors are staying.
(if NigelB is reading this - THANK YOU!)

Happy listening Al!

Adam

Good tips on the separated backups I had a nas as backup, but it's not as secure as a seperated backup, and I noticed it. 4 tb looks like a lot but it's not, I am at 96 percent of 4 tb and will soon get 6tb

Adam Zielinski posted:      Different set up Mike-B. Before I upload anything to my NAS I always make an off-line copy onto two separate drives.    .........  But what you wrote makes of course perfect sense - I think a recycled bin can be 'moved' out of the Minimservers 'range' so it does not see it.

Agree its a different set up,  Synology's Media Server cannot see the R/C Bin - or at last I've never found a way to force it to see it - so no confusion possible that I can find.     I too make one off line copy prior to upload (or store the CD - rare but sometimes the only way for old stuff)  I verify the tags & edit as required prior to upload.  So in theory I need never delete anything from NAS.  Then I run a NAS backup & thats stored elsewhere.