Can an HDX play and serve the same music at the same time?

Posted by: Jason on 05 July 2011

I have an HDX based system in my living room and an all in one technics mini system with an auxilary input in another.

 

Is there a cost effective way to get the music being played on my HDX to be played through my second system at the same time so I am listening to the same music in two different rooms.  My HDX is connected to my router and I could easily run an ethernet connection again from my router to a device (to then connect into my second system), but what is the device I would need..any ideas??

 

Thanks.

Posted on: 05 July 2011 by aysil

The most cost effective way would be to run a long interconnect from analog output of HDX to your mini system. HDX outputs both dig-out and analog at the same time. The answer to your topic question is also yes, HDX can simultaneously serve - in fact, can even serve a different music to the other room. So, another alternative could be to replace your mini system with a Uniticute, and this would be all you need in the other room.

Posted on: 05 July 2011 by NickSeattle
My installer used a pair of 30-foot RCA-terminated RG6 co-axial cables to deliver Tape-out from my main system to Aux-in on my bedroom system; works very well.

Nick
Posted on: 07 July 2011 by DavidDever
Do you want the second zone to play and select music independent of the first?
Posted on: 07 July 2011 by NickSeattle

Can an HDX and iTunes share the same music library?  If so, an AirPort Express and almost any old PC could be an inexpensive, low-effort compromise solution.  Save the HDX for critical listening sessions, and listen to iTunes when wandering about the house.  I am sure the Uniti and NaimNet solutions would be better sounding, better integrated, and maybe even "cost-effective", depending on how you define that. 

 

Nick

Posted on: 07 July 2011 by Jason

Thanks guys, some useful ideas.

 

David,

 

I'm not too fussed about being able to play different music on each system as I can plug my ipod into the second system and listen to a fair amount of what I also have on the HDX anyway.

 

What I want to be able to do is play music simultaneously on the HDX and on my second system. 

 

Aysil/Nick,

 

Thats a thought but I'm not sure I'd be able to run an interconnect quite as far as I need.  Thats why I was hoping I could run the signal via ethernet as this cable aready exists from the HDX to my router which is two thirds of the way to my second system.  I was hoping I could then continue an ethernet signal from the router to my second system, but I don't know if this method would be possible?

 

Posted on: 07 July 2011 by Jason

Thanks guys, some useful ideas.

 

David,

 

I'm not too fussed about being able to play different music on each system as I can plug my ipod into the second system and listen to a fair amount of what I also have on the HDX anyway.

 

What I want to be able to do is play music simultaneously on the HDX and on my second system. 

 

Aysil/Nick,

 

Thats a thought but I'm not sure I'd be able to run an interconnect quite as far as I need.  Thats why I was hoping I could run the signal via ethernet as this cable aready exists from the HDX to my router which is two thirds of the way to my second system.  I was hoping I could then continue an ethernet signal from the router to my second system, but I don't know if this method would be possible?

 

Posted on: 07 July 2011 by aysil

Jason,

this method would surely be possible; there are many stream client devices for every budget which you could connect to your mini system in the other room.

Just a moment, no! I understand your question! It is not possible. This is a very good question. I don't think the local output of HDX can be synchronised with the UPnP streaming of HDX. Maybe there are solutions within NaimNet. I don't know.

Posted on: 07 July 2011 by Jason

Aysil,

 

Ok thanks, I think I will have to have a chat with a Naimnet dealer at some point about this one.  I've got a feeling that the only option to send the signal along the ethernet cable from the HDX will be expensive.  I'm not looking for fantastic quality for this, as the second system is not used for critical listening but it would be nice to hear the same music being played on my main system when I wander through to another part of the house.  I might have to look at an extra extra long interconnect!!!

Posted on: 07 July 2011 by NickSeattle

If you do end up running wire, fish a line or two of CAT-5/6 along-side for various uses, possibly including repeating remote-control signals back to the main unit.  I did this to most of my zones, whether wired with line-level or speaker wire.  I can control e.g. the CD5X from any location using any of a variety of universal remote controls (mostly Denon) that I have accumulated over the last 15 years.  This has turned out to be a flexible, high quality, platform-independent, and surprisingly future-proof investment!

Posted on: 07 July 2011 by DavidDever
Actually - all you need is an existing wireless network and a spare iPod touch with the PlugPlayer app loaded - while this won't play synchronized to the HDX main system, it will permit UPnP streaming at full bit rate.
Posted on: 07 July 2011 by garyi

I think the guy is asking for party mode. i.e. if he hits Lady gaga to play out his main stereo he wants it playing out another stereo as well at the same time, like a night club as it were.

Posted on: 08 July 2011 by Jason

Nick, Thanks, that's a good idea, if I run an interconnect, I'll do that.

 

David,  It's the synchronized playing I'm looking for.

 

Garyi - interesting scenario, but yes, kind of... but perhaps with a little less Gaga!!  

 

The thinking behind this is to be able to enjoy a little background music around the two main areas of the house when entertaining, so it needs to be synchronized as though you were listening to the same radio station in two different rooms.

Posted on: 08 July 2011 by Basically Sound
TTBOMK only the NaimNet solutions will currently allow "party mode". The Uniti family as yet doesn't.

But I believe you are looking for something "simpler". If only it was that easy... Qute, Squeezebox, Sonos, Linn DS all come to mind, but sync replay will not be achievable without yet further expenditure at both ends.

But this lo-fi solution might well work. If you can run a Cat5 cable from your HDX / amp location to the second system, why not acquire a pair of stereo audio baluns (e.g. Muxlab) connected on each end of the Cat5 cable (no router connection required). Feed a tape loop output into one end, then connect the other end to the Aux i/p on the Technics, then whatever is playing in the main system can also be heard on the 2nd too. Control the HDX using app or DTC when in other room.

Hope this makes some sense.

Tony
Posted on: 08 July 2011 by NickSeattle
Tony, 

Brilliant!  I hope this helps Jason.  I know it will help me upgrading distributed video from composite to HDMI one day soon.

Thanks.

Jason,

You have an iPod; so you've got iTunes running somewhere.  That pc connected to the 282 or Technics plus an AE on the other system (or an AE connected to each amp) can play iTunes in sync, I believe.  At under $100 each I find the AE is surprisingly good for casual listening, even when not running the coffee maker, dishwasher, table-saw, etc.

Best,

Nick
Posted on: 11 July 2011 by Jason

Superb.  Thats great guys, thanks for your help on this one.

 

Tony,

 

I didn't even know these baluns existed!  I'll have a look into these and see how I get on.

 

All the best.

Posted on: 13 July 2011 by Basically Sound
Jason
You can get Cat5 baluns for most analogue (audio and/or video) and some digital signals and they invariably work but do sometimes suffer from a drop in level esp. over long cable lengths. Have used them in various installations where Cat5 cables offer a cost effective means of getting a signal for A to B.

Muxlab offer a good selection, whilst others makes are also available.

Tony
Posted on: 16 July 2011 by Jason

Thats very helpful Tony, Thank you.